Obama sucks.

[Roy Karrde]

Uh. I wouldn't necessarily call that "switching policies." That's just the typical campaign promise-breaking. Granted, the circumstances were a little extreme... but when in the last two decades has there not been some extreme element? Long story short, don't make a promise if you're not going to keep it.

Gotta say between at least the last 4 Presidents that seems to be a recurring theme. Making substantial promises that they knew they could not keep, or were unable to keep due to events outside of their control.

[kazr]

Gotta say between at least the last 4 Presidents that seems to be a recurring theme. Making substantial promises that they knew they could not keep, or were unable to keep due to events outside of their control.

This is the history of democracy since its inception.

[Roy Karrde]

This is the history of democracy since its inception.

No doubt, but it has played heavily over the last four years. Bush Sr's No New Taxes pledge, Clinton lying under oath ( Yeah I had to stretch for that one ), W Bush's Nation Building Pledge, and of course Obama's C Span Pledge.

Then again it probably helps that as with increased media over the last few years, its easier to go back instantly to clips of candidates making promises. Such as Obama's C Span pledge.

[kazr]

Well it's been fun Roy, but I'm going to take a shower and maybe bake those brownies.

*does a kick flip over ur headz and skates out of dis thread*

[Master Rudy]

Well it's been fun Roy, but I'm going to take a shower and maybe bake those brownies. royally getting my ass kicked in this debate since I don't seem to know what I'm talking about. I'ma leave now......

*does a kick flip over ur headz and skates out of dis thread*

Fixed that for you Kazr...... ^_~
Oh and I seriously hope you weren't trying to pass "I can see Russia from my house" as an actual Palin quote. You do know it came from that turd Tina Fey in an SNL skit right?
To shift the focus back to our fearless leader I have this to ask of his supporters: name one thing that Obama has done since taking office that has truely made a change or worked towards helping this country. Go ahead......I'll wait......

[kazr]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JXL86v8NoGk

You would need some powerful eyes to see Russia from Alaska, and how being able to see Russia has anything to do with foreign policy is beyond me.

Congratulations Rudy. When you're ready to roll with the big boys come back to this thread, until then keep the bench warm.

^_~

[Master Rudy]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JXL86v8NoGk

You would need some powerful eyes to see Russia from Alaska, and how being able to see Russia has anything to do with foreign policy is beyond me.

Congratulations Rudy. When you're ready to roll with the big boys come back to this thread, until then keep the bench warm.

^_~

Keep the bench warm? You may have to dig for a little while but I'm not afraid to jump into these kinds of debates. I just usually prefer to stay out of them since trying to convince an opposing political party that their viewpoint is wrong is about as easy as trying to stop a speeding train with your bare hands.

In any case I'd be more than happy to argue with you if you could tell me what the fuck is in that video. I've only got high speed access about once a week so right now You Tube is a no go for me. I'm sure I could see the first 20-30 seconds or so if you want to give my dial up a few hours but I don't know how my parents would like that considering that they wouldn't be able to use the phone :-/

[Roy Karrde]

You would need some powerful eyes to see Russia from Alaska,

There are areas of Alaska that are close enough to Russia that you can see the Russian Coast Line, which was Palin's point.

and how being able to see Russia has anything to do with foreign policy is beyond me.

You need to remember two things, both of which I doubt you do

A: Russia had just invaded Georgia when that interview happened, we were at heightened tensions with Russia over that event

B: Russian bombers and jets have over the past decade threatened US Airspace by performing aerial exercises very close to Alaska and American Ships in the vicinity. Her point, is that if Russia were to attack, Alaska would be first, and that is true. Even on 9/11 we were performing war games close to Russia in response to their own war games they had performed close to Alaska just a few months before.

"Do not underestimate Palin" is a retarded talking point and maybe if the media repeats it ad nauseum then it could come true, I guess?

Actually it was a warning given to the Obama Camp by Palin's former opponent for the Governor's seat.

I am underestimating her because all her opponents would have to do is play sound bites of her speaking in her run as McCain's VP to kick her stupid ass right to the curb.

And they would lose the election if they pulled off such a retarded tactic.

She has a fringe, albeit hardcore following but I pray for not just my country but the rest of the world that not enough people could possibly vote in this walking monstrosity as president.

Yeah well I felt the same way about Barack Obama and yet he won, so at this point, she is a massive step up from the current administration.