Obama sucks.

[kazr]

No, now if you had specified exactly what you were talking about I would have used a different response. Such as that any Presidency is going to have missteps in them, that does not how ever mean that Reagan was one of if not the greatest Modern American President. One held in such high esteem in our country that he draws comparisons from the Right and the Left with who ever is in office. Meanwhile Jimmy Carter is used more like a curse word, a bad memory, so horrible that Democrats can only hope that he disappears somewhere into private life eventually.

As long as Jimmy is building houses for the homeless he's alright in my book

Also, you compared World War 2 and our very own Civil War to funding death squads in Latin America. You did, holy moly my head is still reeling.

[Roy Karrde]

As long as Jimmy is building houses for the homeless he's alright in my book

He also has a book out that is so bad it has been endorsed by Osama Bin Laden.

[kazr]

He also has a book out that is so bad it has been endorsed by Osama Bin Laden.

So what, Osama bin Laden endorses growing out a beard. Doesn't mean everyone should shave theirs off.

I'm pretty sure Jimmy's message is "yo lets be good to each other, stop fighting pointless wars over ideology & resources, share a little bit more, and we can all get along much better on this earth"

i dunno sounds like a good deal to me.

[Roy Karrde]

So what, Osama bin Laden endorses growing out a beard. Doesn't mean everyone should shave theirs off.

I'm pretty sure Jimmy's message is "yo lets be good to each other, stop fighting pointless wars over ideology & resources, share a little bit more, and we can all get along much better on this earth"

i dunno sounds like a good deal to me.

Yeah again you show your lack of knowledge. His book was a very one sided, very hateful book about the Israelis. Osama Bin Laden thus used it as a recruiting tool to drive more people and most likely suicide bombers to his side by pointing out how muslims should read Jimmy Carter's book.

Anyway I am out of debating, I had fun with Heald, but this is just mindless right now and I have much better things to be doing.

[kazr]

Yeah again you show your lack of knowledge. His book was a very one sided, very hateful book about the Israelis. Osama Bin Laden thus used it as a recruiting tool to drive more people and most likely suicide bombers to his side by pointing out how muslims should read Jimmy Carter's book.

Anyway I am out of debating, I had fun with Heald, but this is just mindless right now and I have much better things to be doing.

Backing down? *flex* I would stop having fun when faced with undeniable facts also.

jk, it was fun. A formidable opponent.

But I have to add: Israel is an apartheid state and it's pretty easy to draw direct parallels between what happened to the Jews during Nazi Germany and what is happening now to Palestinians. Although they aren't being forced into camps and into gas chambers they are living in shit hole ghettos, with very little outside aid, ancient decaying infrastructure, and it is one of the biggest atrocities currently happening in the world. It can be said that both sides are wrong in this, but Israel holds all the cards and needs to be the bigger man to offer real lasting peace for all Israelis and Palestinians in this horrible conflict, and sadly I'm predicting this will never happen.

Rudy, I'm not defending Obama here. He's going to be a mediocre at best president, and will most likely be shit all over for the state of the economy, the massive deficit, and the (possibly unwinnable) war in Afghanistan in the history books. Like I said in my first post in this thread: welcome to the new president, same as the old president.

But you want something positive he's done? Reached his hand out to the gay community and makes dialogue that they aren't some alienated underclass that should be shit all over because EW GAY PEOPLE. Kind of refreshing to see in a politician.

That of course is only if you aren't a giant bigot who gets his panties in a knot over who people fall in love with, or choose to be sexual with.

Give me a list of shit Obamas gotten wrong in his first year as president.