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[Heald]

Learn the difference between revealed preference and stated preference. Of course a bunch of Obama-hating people aren't going to admit that his race, religion or ethnic background had anything to do with who they support. In fact I'm amazed 1 in 10 had the balls to say that his race was the real reason why they hate him.

[Roy Karrde]

Learn the difference between revealed preference and stated preference. Of course a bunch of Obama-hating people aren't going to admit that his race, religion or ethnic background had anything to do with who they support. In fact I'm amazed 1 in 10 had the balls to say that his race was the real reason why they hate him.

So in other words you are only assuming that they hate him because he is black, you don't have any facts because lets face it the most comprehensive survey of the tea party proved you wrong. I mean of course it has nothing to do with his horrible policies, the deficit, or the current economy. Then again these are the same people who also just embraced Pastor Stephen Broden, who would love to see Clerance Thomas run for President, or even Marco Rubio. For a bunch of racists they don't seem to mind a Black or Hispanic President, if he were to support their views.

[Heald]

So in other words you are only assuming that they hate him because he is black, you don't have any facts because lets face it the most comprehensive survey of the tea party proved you wrong. I mean of course it has nothing to do with his horrible policies, the deficit, or the current economy. Then again these are the same people who also just embraced Pastor Stephen Broden, who would love to see Clerance Thomas run for President, or even Marco Rubio.

I believe the Tea Party has an incredibly horrible, racist element to it. The fact that even a cursory search for photos of Tea Party rallies or videos of Tea Party members giving their views backs up my belief. I'm not saying that is representative of the entire movement, but the fact that the Tea Party refuses to acknowledge or condemn the racist element in it speaks volumes about it. Many prominent conservatives have refused to align themselves with the Tea Party because of the racist element it has. There is also a strong homophobic and Islamophobic element in it as well.

That survey isn't proof of anything, apart from what Tea Party members are willing to reveal about themselves, and there is a strong incentive for people to lie in such a survey, therefore it is an incredibly flawed piece of evidence and doesn't prove anything, much less prove me wrong about anything.

I never said the entire Tea Party was racist, which is what you seem to think I said, but I do believe it does have a strong racist element. That is my opinion, but it is also an opinion shared by many people and organisations.

[Roy Karrde]

I believe the Tea Party has an incredibly horrible, racist element to it. The fact that even a cursory search for photos of Tea Party rallies or videos of Tea Party members giving their views backs up my belief. I'm not saying that is representative of the entire movement, but the fact that the Tea Party refuses to acknowledge or condemn the racist element in it speaks volumes about it. Many prominent conservatives have refused to align themselves with the Tea Party because of the racist element it has. There is also a strong homophobic and Islamophobic element in it as well.

So because you do a search of photos and signs, you automatically decide to degrade a movement as a whole. By that poor logic, I can do a search of signs at John Stewarts Rally, or at any Democratic Rally, and find signs that are incredibly Anti Christian, or Truthers. Does that mean the Democratic Party as a whole hates Christians or has a strong Truther element to it? By your logic it does. Why doesnt the Democratic party address it?

Mind you, you are also looking at pictures of signs, a few snap shots out of thousands. Do you honestly believe some people do not purposely go looking for those signs? Of course they do. Have you ever been to a Tea Party Rally? Or are you basing your entire judgement on pictures?

That survey isn't proof of anything, apart from what Tea Party members are willing to reveal about themselves, and there is a strong incentive for people to lie in such a survey, therefore it is an incredibly flawed piece of evidence and doesn't prove anything, much less prove me wrong about anything.

As said by the Washington Post, it is the most comprehensive survey of the Tea Party ever taken, it is a look at the structure and beliefs of the movement. Unless you can provide any evidence to the contrary then you're argument is null and void.

I never said the entire Tea Party was racist, which is what you seem to think I said, but I do believe it does have a strong racist element. That is my opinion, but it is also an opinion shared by many people and organisations.

And it is a flawed opinion, made by small minded people and organizations. Why? Because it is easier to dismiss a group if you can call the Homophobic or Racist. You do not have to hear their ideas or views. As they do not have any credence since they are "Racists".

I will remind you that the Tea Party is held together by two separate groups. Social Conservatives and Libertarians. Libertarians are Socially Liberal but have a Fiscally Conservative view. If the members of the Tea Party who are racists were anything more than a small minuscule amount of individuals, the Libertarian wing of the Tea Party would either bolt or create warfare within it.

As for calling the Tea Party racist...

"Which brings us to the KKK 2010 Tea Party."

Yet, a few weeks ago, I was in a cafe, when I heard too folks mention Obama's name, then say something about "watermelon" that made them both laugh. I didn't ask them to repeat it - I didn't want to know.

And that deals with what we are talking about how?

As for the Tea Party. Well, let me put it this way. Ever see that famous editorial cartoon that was made in colonial times where the British loyalist is being force-fed tea after being tar-and-feathered?

Nope.

[Dark Sage]

Roy, you didn't have to listen to Carl Paladino for the past two months. He was a bigot, which is likely the reason he's not going to be governor of New York. I listened to this guy put his foot in his mouth, bashing gays, lying about his opponent to smear him, and I wondered what the GOP was ever thinking.

People like this expose the rot at the heart of the Tea Party. The real GOP should not accept these pretenders. I thought you were a member of the real GOP, but I guess I was wrong.

[Roy Karrde]

Roy, you didn't have to listen to Carl Paladino for the past two months. He was a bigot, which is likely the reason he's not going to be governor of New York. I listened to this guy put his foot in his mouth, bashing gays, lying about his opponent to smear him, and I wondered what the GOP was ever thinking.

So you want to use one guy to bash a party? My God lets look at Nancy Pelosi then? How about Barney Frank the man responsible for the mess we are in.

People like this expose the rot at the heart of the Tea Party. The real GOP should not accept these pretenders. I thought you were a member of the real GOP, but I guess I was wrong.

So.. you take one person and equate a whole movement to them? My God you could have chosen some one a bit more closely associated with the Tea Party. Try Marco Rubio, he is considered the quintessential Tea Party candidate and a man who is already on the short list for the Vice Presidency. Oh wait that's right Marco Rubio is Hispanic, and the Tea Party are a bunch of racists right?

Do I have to bring my own wooden cross to burn and robes or do they provide them for me?

And you were saying before about not calling the whole Tea Party racists?

[Dark Sage]

Roy, people like you make me laugh. I live in New York City, the melting pot of this country, in a blue state where the Democrats actually won both Senate races and the governor's race last night.

Yet, a few weeks ago, I was in a cafe, when I heard too folks mention Obama's name, then say something about "watermelon" that made them both laugh. I didn't ask them to repeat it - I didn't want to know.

As for the Tea Party. Well, let me put it this way. Ever see that famous editorial cartoon that was made in colonial times where the British loyalist is being force-fed tea after being tar-and-feathered?

I'd love to do that to Sarah Palin. That's how much I despise her and her whole bigoted ultra-conservative movement.