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[Crazy Elf Boy]

According to the ASB movelist as well as Veekun, Magic Coat will reflect Trap inducing moves and since Wrap is a trap move Magic coat will reflect it.

[chaos_redefined]

I'm currently going to ref it is struggle instead of Magic Coat, because I noticed last round that Magic Coat couldn't be used by Grimer and CEB's attacks specifically mentioned activating the sub so that Pain Split wouldn't be used. If CEB has any issues with this he's free to change his moves accordingly.

Umm... CEB shouldn't be allowed to change his moves either. The only circumstance where a battler should be allowed to change his/her moves is when the ref screws something up and it's pointed out after the battler has posted attacks.

According to the ASB movelist as well as Veekun, Magic Coat will reflect Trap inducing moves and since Wrap is a trap move Magic coat will reflect it.

According to veekun, Magic Coat's effect is as follows:

The first non-damaging move targeting the user this turn that inflicts major status effects, stat changes, or trapping effects will be reflected at its user.

Defog, Memento, and Teeter Dance are not reflected.

Attract, Flatter, Gastro Acid, Leech Seed, Swagger, Worry Seed, and Yawn are reflected.

This move cannot be copied by Mirror Move.

Since wrap is a damaging move, it will not be reflected by magic coat, according to veekun. If a move trapped the opponent but did not deal any initial damage, it would be reflected.

From the movelist:

Magic Coat -PSY- Will reflect the status condition inducer/confusion inducer/attracter/trapping inducer back to the pokemon that fired it.
Fatigue: Moderate
Accuracy: Excellent

From that, one could argue that Water Pulse should be reflected, since it induces confusion. Same for Zap Cannon (induces paralysis). No sane ref would do that, so this is a flawed definition. The same flaw applies to the definition of prankster, where "non-damaging" was originally omitted. So, if we assume that damaging moves are the problem, then we are back to where we were.

As a result, the substituted move never comes up, and the fact that cutsiepie posted an invalid move is irrelevant anyway.

In any case, sorry for interfering, but I got a call from CutsiePie telling me to come and look, so I've come and looked.