Mr Popo's Happy Funtimes Lounge (Dragonball SU Lounge)

[Mystic_clown]

I was actually going to come to your rescue tonight Kuro, so feel free to have Zaito turning up in your post if you like.

If you can also post for Shimuto, that would be great. I'm eager to get the Gamma VS Shimuto fight started.

[Heald]

I was planning to do that as well, so I guess I'll make it official too.

[Kuro Espeon]

All done! Didn't quite bring Zaito in, but I figure he can't be too far off. He better not be since she really only has a couple of minutes... *cough*

By the by, once Kura's recovered, I just have one request (mostly directed at Blade). *clears throat* CAN I HAVE KURA KILL CHITA?? CAN I, CAN I??? PRETTY PLEEEEEASE???

[Blademaster]

Yes, you can. It only seems fair.

But she has one final task she must do first. I'm not quite sure how that will go, but either way, you just posted, so Chita should have enough room for one more post before she falls.

[Kuro Espeon]

Fair enough. She shall live. For one more post.... BWAHAHAHAHA!!

[Master Rudy]

Now that we're moving at a decent clip again I'll try to look into getting something up tonight even if it's short. No promises however. Been busy helping my dad pack up for a move as well as WORKING ON MY CAR!!!!

Yep you read that right. Finally got a car again. A 1988 Toyota Camry with only 84K miles that I picked up for $700. Purchased it off the original owner: a little old lady pushing 90 that can't drive anymore. Aside from the typical wear and tear related repairs (brakes, muffler, tires) it's easily in as good of a condition if not better than the 1990 Buick LeSabre I had from 2003-2005. However since she was pushing 90 and shouldn't have been on the road it's got it's fair share of dings (busted lens on some lights, a front fender dent that makes opening the door a pain and some rust on the wheel wells). As a result it's gonna need very minor restoration work and an eventually repaint.....all stuff I can do. Only issue is it'll need to be done a little bit at a time as I lack the funds, time and tools to knock it out in a day.

Pics of the pre-resto Camry will be forthcoming once I find my damn camera

[Blademaster]

This is RPG. Nobody cares about your car. Take it to Misc..

Now, it seems that everybody has (finally) assembled: Heald, Rudy, Paradox, Bear, and myself are all here, with Kuro and M_c chipping in again as well. Asi doesn't seem to want to do a damn thing, so whatever happens happens.

One thing I've noticed is that we've all lost our Scouters. I don't remember if Kura has one or not, but Retasu definitely does. And it can detect more than just power.

Possible plot device?

[Asilynne]

Anyway my day off is Thursday and my and Bens car should be finishing up their repairs this week so you can suck it up until then lol

[Kuro Espeon]

This is RPG. Nobody cares about your car. Take it to Misc..

*slow clap*

One thing I've noticed is that we've all lost our Scouters. I don't remember if Kura has one or not, but Retasu definitely does. And it can detect more than just power.

Kura doesn't have one. She's avoids most Saiyan-esque devices. But yeah, Retasu should still have hers.

[Master Rudy]

Ugh....had to fucking jinx myself and mention the car....... :-/

Got called into work to deliver since we had an asshole of a driver simply just walk out on us (long story). Two orders in and I had a tire failure. And this wasn't just your simple "oh no I have a flat!" situation. This was a "thank god Firestone isn't in the business of making condoms" situation. The tire maintained pressure and didn't blow out but the outer layers actually started to SHREAD to the point where I could hear the rubber slapping against the car as I drove. This video of a couple of stoner burnouts that seem to think they are Jeff Gordon should give an idea of what the tire looks like now.....



Thankfully it was a side street and I was only doing about 15 MPH. I was on I-75 doing 60 MPH not even five minutes before this happened. Had it happened there at that speed I'm sure it'd have been ten times worse and quickly turned into a situation that at the very least would have turned into serious repairs and at the worst would have been a very ugly wreck.

Overall a simple fix but the wheel itself is so old I'm gonna need a mechanic to just get the son of a bitch off. I had the added bonus of being about half a mile from my mechanic so I drove it there at about 5 MPH, parked it in the lot and now I'm just waiting until they open in the morning. I'll have them put my spare on with a new rim but after this I can tell you right now that I don't trust my other tires. That's easily gonna be my first replacement once I've got my check at the end of the week.

So yeah....bad luck combined with some slight good luck for a change. I'm pissy over the situation but at least I was able to walk away AND get my car to my mechanic in one piece. Far better than I could have asked for.

I will look into posting tonight but after that headache I need to unwind with mindless entertainment.....therefore I shall kill zombies for the next few hours

*fires up L4D2*


EDIT-And on an RPG related note the music Heald posted was awesome....you should totally make that your character's theme Sarah ^_~

[Kuro Espeon]

EDIT-And on an RPG related note the music Heald posted was awesome....you should totally make that your character's theme Sarah ^_~

Hmmm...nah, not for her theme music. Sounds too much like the Rocky theme to me. Might be appropriate if Kura were wearing boxing gloves but...

But speaking of theme music. I think this should be Gamma's:

[Blademaster]

BACK TO THE RPG...

Chita is on her way to engage 'the female Saiyan' for the Dragonball. Kuro, your time is at hand.

[Master Rudy]

First off I wonder if Blade can read my mind. I honestly wasn't expecting Rothax to break away from the battle. However I did have a fallback plan in mind for Shitagi that I hadn't previously mentioned in the event that this situation did come up......retreat to West City, see if anything in Capsule Corp is salvageable and possibly use it as a rally point (and maybe even eventually make it a battle site). Furuto and Kuji being there actually helps that plan. Anyway there's something else:

I for the life of me cannot remember if Kuji ever had a profile or where to even look for it if he did :-/

Anyway I need a quick verification Heald.....is Kuji able to heal people in much the same fashion as Dende? Shitagi may be alive but he's not 100%. Unknown to him he's slowly bleeding out internally (thanks to his broken ribs) and the fourth and fifth level Kaio-Kens he's been using hasn't helped him in that area.

Regardless if Kuji can or can't heal him Shitagi will be making his way to West City. As you guys have no doubt picked up by now he's getting guided by Victoria (who in turn is obviously being helped by King Kai). If Kuji can heal him then Shitagi won't be out of the action too long. If not he will eventually make it back to 100% but he'll be out of commission a bit

[Heald]

Kuji can heal like Dende yes. In fact as an adult he is far more proficient at it than Dende.

Furuto can to an extent as well (having learnt it in case Kuji needed it) but he takes a lot longer than Dende.

Also, Furuto isn't entirely defenceless. Yes, at the moment he is probably the weakest of the fighters, but he can still hold his own and is privy to some of the old Z-Warrior's techniques, having studied them to defend Earth if need be.

As for Shimuto, well I imagine this will be a pretty spectacular fight. It will definitely require a few people, and I'm intending on making Zaito one of them. Also, since Hammer had his ass handed to him by Shimuto earlier, I would hope he would join in too.

[Blademaster]

I honestly wasn't expecting Rothax to break away from the battle.

He would have killed you and Van. I want the RPG to have casualties on both sides, yeah, but I'm not going to have Rothax start massacring everybody without any explanation or permission. (Spoiler:) Even though he can: Whether power levels are of use anymore or not, Rothax's current form is his strongest and, at its absolute maximum, puts Rothax's final, for-real, absolutely-maximum-limit-unless-divine-intervention-AKA-Dragonballs-cut-in-and-make-him-God power level at an upper limit of ten times his previous one, giving him the ability to go as high as 347,000.

Victoria (who in turn is obviously being helped by King Kai).

She got there pretty Goddamn fast considering she died only a few minutes earlier and Snake Way is a million miles long, huh?

That actually leads me to something I'm curious about: A hundred years ago, Cell blew up King Kai's planet and the intensity of the blast likely demolished a good chunk of Snake Way as well. So if you wanna bypass Heaven and Hell and get to King Kai in this RPG (or just in general since the planet wasn't ever restored post-Cell Saga)... Well, how would you?

As for Shimuto, well I imagine this will be a pretty spectacular fight. It will definitely require a few people, and I'm intending on making Zaito one of them. Also, since Hammer had his ass handed to him by Shimuto earlier, I would hope he would join in too.

Gamma is the only one fighting Shimuto right now, but Hammer and Basawe are on their way to help. I dunno whether Bear wants to kick off their arrival or if I'll have to do it, but considering we're moving at a steady pace for a change, I doubt there's a need to rush.

[Master Rudy]

Well it's official. Shitagi has serious problems on his end of things. Gonna have to be honest.....I really don't have a good plan for getting out of that one short of trying to kill Van. Of course in his weakened state you can expect Shitagi to be pretty close behind Van if it comes down to that.

As for Victoria.....a wizard did it!

Seriously however I did fail to take the distance of Snake Way into account. However as Blade noted the planet was never restored. Plus there have been inconsistances before in regards to the afterlife. Following King Kai and Goku's deaths at the hands of Cell they were instantly on King Kai's end of Snake Way as opposed to being sent to the check in station. It may have been a special case as they were already in Other World. However it does show that regardless of the how and why (which have never officially been explained to my knowledge) that it HAS happened. Plus as we've seen several times in Dragon Ball sometimes when a character dies and gets brought back they will either come to life where they died (Gohan and company during the Buu Saga) or come back to life where they currently are (Goku during the Saiyan Saga, Vegeta during Buu)

Dragon Ball itself can be fairly inconsistant at times in regards to certain things. As I'm not actively posting for Victoria since her death there is no actual explaination. However considering how bad the situation on Earth has become and the fact that this is the first major threat in many years however about we just say King Kai was pretty much monitoring things and ported straight to her once the Z Fighters took their first major loss. While we never see him actually use it he did mention the fact that he could have taught Goku the Instant Transmission himself ^_~

[Bear]

Well I didn't want to make my next post with Hammer until Ben had his chance to do a battle post against Shimuto. If I remember correctly Heald has only just begun the battle and it hasn't progressed past that, so it would be premature for me to jump in now.

You can bet on the fact that Hammer will want a piece of Shimuto since he nearly killed him. On that line, I'd like to make a request. In order to keep it reasonable, I will offer the following: I will leave Hammer out of the final Rothax battle completely in exchange for having dibs on dealing the final blow to Shimuto (if we are even finishing them at all). The way I pretty much see it playing out is that Hammer uses his final attack on Shimuto to kill him (if that's how we go) and as a result he is left inches from death, and thus unable to help the others against Rothax. I think that would be a more reasonable pursuit so my character isn't made too powerful.

As far as power levels go, I think it would be prudent for us to assess where everyone is at so we have a good idea how to proceed from here. For example, I was thinking that after Hammer's training in the HTC his power levels would look something like this:

Hammer (calm): 52,000
Hammer (enraged): 65,000
Hammer (Mind of Gaia - Final attack): 125,000

Having a setup like this allows us to better utilize each character and avoid confusion with how the battles play out. Obviously a fighter of Hammer's stature would not be able to take on Rothax singlehandedly when he has a power level of 347,000, so he will not be making any posts throwing him into battle 1 on 1 and even coming close to holding his own.

Any objections to my ideas? Feel free to disagree, this is just stream of consciousness at the moment. Also Heald did you still intend to wait til next RPG to have Furuto fuse with Hammer? Or did you want to do it now? I'll leave that up to you since it's your NPC. I won't be offended if you say no .

[Master of Paradox]

To be honest, Rudy, and I don't mean to be cruel... but I don't think Shitagi can get out of this situation alive.

Here's a quick look at Van's power levels:

Normal: 1,500
Angry: 2,500
K-Trance: 40,000
D-Trance: 50,000

K-Trance only triggers when Van has to deal with Saiyans, and D-Trance can be used at will, but lasts for a limited time and burns out all of his energy when the timer runs out.

[Blademaster]

Hammer at 52,000? That makes him stronger than Retasu and Basawe combined...

.....Well, good thing Basawe doesn't know that. He can keep thinking he's the strongest one for a little while. Lord knows he'll need that boost of confidence in the battle with Shimuto.

[Master of Paradox]

Rudy, I have to call foul on that last post.

1. It's just not fair to have Shitagi godmode his way into defeating Van without asking me. I might have stepped a bit too far by stating Shitagi would likely die, but you could have at least let me do Van's defeat post. By just saying "OH I BEAT UP VAN WITH MY ARM BROKE AND SPITTING BLOOD", you insult me and my character, and cheat pretty badly.

2. You know the real reason Victoria's dead? Because her presence made everything too easy for Shitagi. Now you've got what I assume is the Guardian of the Earth coming down to heal Shitagi's wounds, boost his power level, and tuck him into bed at night. Nothing's changed.

3. How many more deus ex machinas are you going to pull out before you finally let anything permanent happen to Shitagi? This is DBZ. To quote Blade in a recent IM conversation, "Shitagi 'dying' basically means nothing more than a year in space getting even stronger than he is now."

I am more offended than I should be by your post and how it weakens Van to make Shitagi look better. I request changes.

[Master Rudy]

Rudy, I have to call foul on that last post.

1. It's just not fair to have Shitagi godmode his way into defeating Van without asking me. I might have stepped a bit too far by stating Shitagi would likely die, but you could have at least let me do Van's defeat post. By just saying "OH I BEAT UP VAN WITH MY ARM BROKE AND SPITTING BLOOD", you insult me and my character, and cheat pretty badly.

2. You know the real reason Victoria's dead? Because her presence made everything too easy for Shitagi. Now you've got what I assume is the Guardian of the Earth coming down to heal Shitagi's wounds, boost his power level, and tuck him into bed at night. Nothing's changed.

3. How many more deus ex machinas are you going to pull out before you finally let anything permanent happen to Shitagi? This is DBZ. To quote Blade in a recent IM conversation, "Shitagi 'dying' basically means nothing more than a year in space getting even stronger than he is now."

I am more offended than I should be by your post and how it weakens Van to make Shitagi look better. I request changes.

You're offended? Fair enough....post has already been deleted since I really don't want to deal with the headache of trying to edit around it when all I'm trying to do is have a good time RPing. To be honest however MoP you aren't the only one unhappy with a recent post. I had a few issues with yours as well. Let's get some things straight first.

The real reason Victoria is dead is because she made things too easy for Shitagi? I suggest you re-read this whole RPG in regards to the posts I've made as her. In paticular I want you to focus on just before Shitagi went into the Time Chamber. In case it's not obvious I'll just come out and say it: I've had plans for her death from the start. Don't believe me? Just ask Blade. Before we even had the reboot I told him I had it in mind......I just didn't know the how or the why. My issue is the fact that you seem to imply Blade had her killed off solely because things were "too easy" for me.

There's also the issue of Van turning on Shitagi right then and there. It's like kicking a guy while he's down and frankly due to Shitagi's injuries and weakened power level compared to Van I feel like I you didn't give me many options short of one of us dying.

Finally as I've already said there is your own post as well. Let's set aside the whole "Van goes psycho" aspect of it for a moment. I was simply going to roll with this next one but now I'm going to bring a minor issue I had with it up.

[Van Osiku]

The battle was over, and Van was not sure what had happened. And now this... boy, there was no other word for it, was giving orders and making demands. Who did he think he was?

Shitagi Summers
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I started to hover in the air but it quickly became apparent that I wouldn't be able to do so under my own power. Van however was quick to get one of my arms over his shoulder and help me into the air. "Ok then.....Shitagi. I just hope you aren't planning on going after that guy. You really aren't in good shape right now." Anger started to flood back into me but I kept my cool. The last thing I needed to do was get worked up and possibly make my injuries worse. "I wish I could go after him but I'd never make it. Then there's the matter of the Dragon Balls. However until the rest of my friends can get together I dare not go anywhere near that animal he's keeping on his ship." At this moment I had another coughing fit. After that it was starting to get a bit harder to breathe. "Well do you have a plan then?" Van asked me. "Y-yeah" I said as I started to feel somewhat lightheaded. "We I've got to get to West City. He's.....destroyed it. However if I'm going to live.....it just might be my only chance. I just.....need help getting there."

To be honest the "we got to get to West City" part was a typo that I missed and didn't catch until I copied that part of the post over. Setting that aside just read that whole post again. I'll give you the "giving orders" part as it was a typo I didn't catch until just now. However at what point is Shitagi rude? At what point is he making demands? Retasu in paticular is much more likely to demand something than Shitagi is. Aside from the "we got to get to West City" typo more than anything Shitagi is simply asking for HELP! Hell before that as beat up as he is he even managed to give off a weak smile and say "Call me Shitagi." If you can point out the rudeness then by all means do so.....I'm failing to see it.

As for the claims of godmoding that last post I'm a reasonable guy MoP. Perhaps I did push a bit hard on that last post but frankly I was a bit miffed because I honestly was not seeing a way out short of one of us getting killed. You claim it's been endless deus ex machina with me? Well I hate to break it to you but Dragon Ball is pretty much BUILT on it! When the situation looks most hopeless something happens out of seemingly nowhere to push things back in favor of the heroes:

-Goku/Gohan ALWAYS showing up at the last minute
-Gohan regrowing his tail during the battle with Vegeta
-Goku's first Super Saiyan transformation
-Vegeta showing up to fight 19 when Goku's heart virus strikes
-Gohan's trasformation to Super Saiyan 2......and it's not because of his family and friends on the verge of getting killed. It's when Android 16 of all characters is destroyed.

That being said everyone in Dragon Ball who has had their moment in the spotlight as the main hero also share one thing in common.....their luck eventually runs out. Eventually they either get overpowered or killed but in the end the cycle repeats itself.

I feel Shitagi is far from the god mode sue you believe him to be. His first battle with Rothax ended with him getting beat pretty soundly. He's had setbacks in his training and despite having a brillant mind for science he's made what could be considered downright foolish mistakes. Hell I had the Spirit Bomb post in mind for the better part of a year. However rather than flat out go out and say "Hey it worked! I CAN USE A SPIRIT BOMB!" I left the end of the post open in the event that Heald deemed it a bit much. If the answer turned out to be no then nothing is really affected at all. If it was yes then so be it.....Shitagi can use a Spirit Bomb but the one thing you have to remember with that skill are the drawbacks: it takes too damn long and leaves him defenseless. In a one on one battle it's fairly useless.

Personally if Heald or Blade felt I was going too far on something then they would be well within their rights to tell me to back off. When there has been any kind of issue at all they've been the first ones to speak up. In fact there have been cases where I actually HAVE made compromises with the others on some issues and vice versa.

In role playing there's give and take with posts. I can be reasonable and change things if someone feels it goes a bit far (and have even deleted my last post). However bear in mind that you've kinda backed my character into a corner and that short of outside interference (which is very unlikely at this point as everyone is either engaged or in hiding) or Van suddenly getting out of that state before Shitagi is hurt more that it's likely that Shitagi isn't walking away.

The bottom line is that while I can be reasonable about things you have to look at it from my perspective as well. You are complaining about me not consulting you on the matter yet you essentially did the same thing to me. Having Van go psycho and putting Shitagi into a situation that is highly likely to get him killed in his current state without talking to me first is just as bad in my book. In fact in hindsight it's gonna be damn hard to get Shitagi out of that situation as I'm starting to feel like anything I could do is going to be an asspull either in my book or yours. I at least had the decency to have Shitagi come out of that short battle in far worse shape than he entered. Him getting out of that fight without more injuries would have been an asspull in my book. However apparently Shitagi getting away at all is an asspull in yours. As a result I say let's agree to disagree on the matter. However I'm going to respectfully request that we both take several steps back: I've deleted my post and to be honest I feel you should do the same. There will be plenty of time yet to come for Van to go loony on us again ^_~

Let's try to come up with a decent solution here because the last thing I want to do is fight over something that we all should be enjoying and having fun with :-/

EDIT-Upon rereading it I've edited my post as it came off as far more hostile than I intended it to be......I too am a bit worked up as I feel it's a real shitty situation to put Shitagi in without asking first. However as I've said before I'd like to work something out.

[Blademaster]

You know, I really don't wanna jump into this, but...

Rudy, you DID kinda step into this yourself: You knew before your last post that Van has some split-personality deal that makes him go apeshit around Saiyans (You saw it when he turned and attacked Kura out of nowhere before Chita showed up.). And yet you responded to the matter by not only giving Shitagi some potentially-fatal injuries following up Rothax's departure, but also by having him first literally say in big fatass bold letters that he is Vegeta during the fight. Vegeta is a pretty popular name in the not-at-all-small circle of anti-Saiyan races in the DBZverse.

I AM glad to see that we are in agreement on deus ex machinae being a vital part of anything Dragonball-related, though. I mean it'd sure explain a lot of what's going on in this RPG in terms of people making obscene jumps in power out of nowhere with no explanation.

[Heald]

I'll step in while I can.

Whilst I don't particularly mind how you two resolve it, can you please do it with respect to the other person's character and how the other person might feel?

Now, in regards to the current situation, Rudy put a certain level of faith in other people by leaving his character completely defenceless, much like I have left mine basically in the hands of Asi and Kuro at the moment. MoP, your post, especially if you have failed to contacted Rudy outside of the RPG in order to at least seek his thoughts on the matter, seem to have basically put Shitagi in a no-win situation against Rudy's wishes. Granted, we have been talking of taking it to the next level, to have characters die off and such, but at the end of the day, it is still the decision of that character's player to decide if and when he/she dies.

Now, unless another character (at this stage, most likely Basawe or Hammer) steps in, since they are currently on their way somewhere and could be convinced to change course somehow, then it looks likely Shitagi is fucked. Evidently, this is not in line with Rudy's wishes. I suggest you perhaps revise the situation or at least give Shitagi some kind of out, otherwise it is unlikely any kind of satisfactory resolution will be made.

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Bear, I'm not entirely sure what the currently sort of power levels are riding at at the moment (we seem to be in the process of ditching them) but bear in mind that power levels of 100000 upwards were not seen until the Ginyu force saga, and they were supposedly the elite of the universe. I think since we are in the process of ditching power levels, let us just say that Hammer is more or less on the same level as those he entered the HTC with, although he can obviously power up (i.e. for final attacks and such).

As for King Kai, well, he lives in a magic realm where death doesn't particularly have a meaning, so it wouldn't be completely ridiculous for him to have gotten himself a new planet at some point, and maybe his life back. I don't know. It's not a particularly important point.

[Master Rudy]

Rudy, you DID kinda step into this yourself: You knew before your last post that Van has some split-personality deal that makes him go apeshit around Saiyans (You saw it when he turned and attacked Kura out of nowhere before Chita showed up.). And yet you responded to the matter by not only giving Shitagi some potentially-fatal injuries following up Rothax's departure, but also by having him first literally say in big fatass bold letters that he is Vegeta during the fight. Vegeta is a pretty popular name in the not-at-all-small circle of anti-Saiyan races in the DBZverse.

Meh....I got to say yes and no on that matter Blade. I myself as a person/writer know of Van's issues. Shitagi however does not have every last detail in regards to why Van snapped. All he knows is the minor little tidbit he heard from Zaito. I myself know but Shitagi doesn't.....it's kind of the same idea involved with D&D/tabletop RPG's in which the GM gets involved with a player character. A good GM will stick to the rules despite it being his campaign. That in itself is sometimes very hard to do when you have advanced knowledge of what's coming. A bad GM will avoid traps, encounters and get all the best loot with little or no effort on their part. In the case of traps if you do EXACTLY what they just did then expect to trigger it without fail. I've played with both types. Shouldn't take much to figure out the second type is the one that isn't fun to play with. Anyway for me to play and react to what I know BEFORE my character knows it would be really overstepping the boundries of what is and isn't acceptable. It doesn't matter if I was the GM or just a player. If I have advanced knowledge of something I should do the best I can to avoid reacting to it in character. And let's be honest here.....even if I DIDN'T use the name Vegeta in character then something else would have likely made Van snap. Shitagi is wearing Goku's kanji and the royal crest. Considering Van's got quite the history I've no doubt he's seen at least one of the two symbols and would have eventually made the connection. Also don't forget that Shitagi has his tail as well. In fact on a somewhat unrelated note it's such an obvious sign that he's got Saiyan blood that I'm still very confused over the fact that people want to call him, Victoria (or any Saiyan in general) a human. It'd be an understandable mistake on the part of characters in the original anime if they didn't know the history of Goku and company. Not so much in this RPG.

Hypothetically let's say I did everything I could to have Shitagi avoid exposing his Saiyan herritage to Van knowing that it could make Van go nuts at any moment. I myself obviously know this but Shitagi didn't know the details for Van "not being himself" at that point. I have no doubt that several of you would call me out on that one.

As for the injuries Blade are you seriously calling me out for giving Shitagi a potentially serious injury in that battle? I myself am trying to avoid power levels at this point but the bottom line is that had I still been using them it'd be Shitagi around 30-35K against Rothax who is easily over 100K. Plus you yourself have said that he can go OVER 300K? If I had Shitagi come out of it in pretty decent shape I've no doubt you'd be calling foul over that. Instead it almost seems like you are essentially calling foul over the fact that I shouldn't have made Shitagi injured due to the fact that Van could go crazy at the drop of a hat.

I'll admit that the combination of things in recent posts as Shitagi has put him in a very bad situation. However when I first started to make those posts the last thing I even considered happening was the fact that Van could turn on me at any moment. When you take the RPG as a whole into account it's still a very recent development and as a result I doubt it's the first thing that comes to anyone's mind when they think of Van.

Go ahead.....call me an idiot for not considering what could potentially happen with Van. As you put it Blade I made have "steped into this myself" but hear me out: if I didn't have Shitagi come away with some kind of injury (especially since things are suppose to be getting far more serious) you'd have no doubt said something about it. I'm not even going to get any deeper in regards to Van's apparent issue with Saiyans, Shitagi not knowing this, ect. All I'm going to say is that it's happened once so far. Had it happened more than once and I went out of my way to do things to avoid triggering his hatred of Saiyans when Shitagi doesn't know these things then I have no doubt you'd be bringing that up.

Overall I'm really feeling like this situation is quickly becoming a major case of "damned if you do, damned if you don't" :-/

Now, in regards to the current situation, Rudy put a certain level of faith in other people by leaving his character completely defenceless, much like I have left mine basically in the hands of Asi and Kuro at the moment. MoP, your post, especially if you have failed to contacted Rudy outside of the RPG in order to at least seek his thoughts on the matter, seem to have basically put Shitagi in a no-win situation against Rudy's wishes. Granted, we have been talking of taking it to the next level, to have characters die off and such, but at the end of the day, it is still the decision of that character's player to decide if and when he/she dies.

Now, unless another character (at this stage, most likely Basawe or Hammer) steps in, since they are currently on their way somewhere and could be convinced to change course somehow, then it looks likely Shitagi is fucked. Evidently, this is not in line with Rudy's wishes. I suggest you perhaps revise the situation or at least give Shitagi some kind of out, otherwise it is unlikely any kind of satisfactory resolution will be made.

I want to make one thing clear Heald (and clear to everyone for that matter). I do not have problems with getting killed in RPG's. I've been the guy that's died first (or close to it) in previous DB RPG's before. Obviously I had no issues with Victoria since her getting killed was my plan from the moment she came into play. Therefore minimal communication between me and Blade as the moment drew closer wasn't much of an issue.

In regards to the situation with Shitagi/Van however there was zero communication. I've already covered my feelings on what would have happened if Shitagi wasn't injured, on what could have happened if I played to avoid triggering Van's transformation, ect. The main reason I even considered making the rib injury more serious was because Blade flat out had Shitagi using higher levels of Kaio-Ken once he was injured (not blaming you Blade.....just pointing things out ^_~). All things considered it would have been totally in Shitagi's character to fight at a level that would have made Shitagi's injury worse for two reasons: he'll do what it takes to win and he'll sometimes do things without thinking about the long term. He's gotten better with the Kaio-Ken due to his time in the HTC but considering the circumstances of that battle just trying to stay alive in the short term and risking higher levels would have made him not think about the long term.

Now if I hadn't laid the groundwork for Shitagi being in trouble by making the internal bleeding worse thanks to Kaio-Ken overuse then I'd have no problems with what happened. However this whole situation pretty much stemmed and blew up from a lack of communication and Shitagi winding up in what boils down to a "fight or die" situation. I tried to handle it the best I could giving the circumstances but apparently it still was disrespectful to MoP's character as it was "insulting" and "cheating" :-/


With all that out of the way I have this to say: the longer we keep going back and forth like this then the longer it's going to take to come to a decent compromise (not to mention the previous heated disagreements have no doubt made a few people reclutant to post). You want my opinion on the matter? I'll say both me and MoP are equally at fault.

MoP is at fault for essentially putting Shitagi in a no-win situation without talking to me first. I'll be the first to admit that I don't always consult folks folks myself when I suddenly get a case of "HEY! Wouldn't this be awesome?!" I'm quick to edit and ajust things however and the one thing I don't do is put the lives of people's characters at risk. In some extreme cases I weight a character's abilities and what I know about them before taking an action. In these cases I may act without asking but anything I do is not irreversable. Recently I had Shitagi blind third form Rothax in one eye. From Blade's description however I gathered that losing one eye would be very minor due to his other heightened senses. Plus as we all know by now he's like Frieza: when he transforms he regenerates his injuries. Now unless Blade has changed something recently I do remember way back near the start of this RPG that he mentioned that Rothax has FIVE forms. Therefore he can regenerate that eye. If he has reconned it to three forms it's still no problem: Vegeta lost an eye in the Saiyan Saga after all and managed to regenerate it in a healing tank.

In regards to me I myself am at fault for leaving the door open in the first place. In this case the key issue on my part and main trigger for what happened in the first place was Shitagi embracing his family history and using the name Vegeta. If I didn't do that then I've no doubt the royal crest would have come into play instead. In hindsight those are easily the two things that would trigger Van's evil side the most.

With all that said I say that we shouldn't push the matter anymore and point fingers. In my opinion the best thing to do is give MoP a chance to respond towards all this and start working towards a compromise so that we can keep the story flowing and avoid another stall out.

[Bear]

Well the reason I brought up the power levels I did was to make these final encounters a bit more believable. I was thinking Retasu and Basawe could also have reached the 50k mark or so as part of the HTC training, but the number I chose was mostly arbitrary. Since Blade mentioned Rothax had something along the lines of an astounding 347,000 power level, and Rudy's character pushing 100k+ with his Kaio Ken, it's only fair for the rest of us (not just myself) to have a shot at our characters being strong enough to be even on the SCOPE. I mean, How are a bunch of 25,000s going to do ANYTHING against a monstrosity of 300k+, even all attacking together? I was just trying to bring it to a level where it would be conceivable that these fighters could do more than just get squashed, ya know?

By all means, if anyone else has a clearer picture of where we all are (or should be), please let me know. I was not intending to make Hammer stronger than the others (which he isn't) I was just trying to close the gap a bit between the good and bad guys to make the final fight more believable.

[Blademaster]

Holy fucking tl;dr...

...Uh, ahem, yes Bear, well... I suppose I should clarify that Rothax going to 347,000 is akin to Frieza going 100%: It will make him as powerful as he can become, but it will take him some time and strain to get to that level, and it will also cause him to start bleeding out power after a little while. For the most part, he's going to stay in the area he's at now, which is about half that.

Speaking of Rothax, his fourth and fifth forms haven't been retconned out, but considering he's already leagues ahead of even the Ginyu Force, I'm hesitant to go crazy and have him keep going higher, so those last 2 forms are not exactly clear to me. His final one will of course be the one the Dragonballs give him, but between now and then he still has one more form, which will likely just be a buffer and more battle-damaged version of himself (not at all like Frieza and Cell, because I'm original) that can clear that last hurdle of going from 200,000 to 350,000... for a few minutes.

...What, did you think I was just gonna overpower the fuck out of my character without any good reason? That's Rudy's and Paradox's department, not mine.

[Bear]

Don't like how the most recent post utilized your character? Make an IN CHARACTER post that continues the flow of action and redirects your character toward something more befitting your image.

...

The less time you spend being angry and stressed over this RPG, the more time you have to spend pondering the next post and continuing the action. There is no way this thread should have more activity than the RPG itself.

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[Heald]

So it's been a week since I last posted for Zaito and Shimuto. I am going to bring in a recommended time of 7 days within you are given to reply to a post that your character is involved in before the person who made that original post may choose to move the story along. If you know you are going to be completely unable to meet this, then please state in this thread what you would at least like your character to do, or what considerations should be made by anyone posting in a post that you character is involved in. Any other players should at least bear these in mind. However, if both of you want to kill or at least do an awesome attack on a character, the person posting can take precedence, since he is the one actually posting. I would recommend to people posting to please leave it a week before they post again unless someone in the same place/part of the story as them posts as well. If you don't post and the story has moved on too far for you to retcon anything, sorry but that's life. You can still retcon/amend events that immediately lead up to your post though if you want to better reflect what your character would have done.

So, Asi, Kuro and Mystic, I will be posting this week for both of my characters. It'll probably be a couple more days but just warning you.

Anyway, it seems like Hammer is coming to Shitagi's rescue, but in future I would really rather people would at least ask people before they post if they are intending to put them in no-win situations, or at least situations that their characters are very unlikely to get out of, otherwise, either they will be unhappy, or they will just do something similar to you. Not particularly ideal.

[Bear]

Just FYI with my wedding coming up next saturday and final preparations to be made, I won't be able to make any posts after Tuesday. I won't return from my honeymoon until after the 21st so that puts me out of action for basically two weeks. I can post one more time before I am gone but only if Shitagi and Van get a post up to continue that action. If not, it'll have to wait til I'm back. Also if you're intending to post something I need to respond to, please do so before the 8th or be prepared to wait a while for it. I appreciate the understanding from everyone.

[Master Rudy]

Just FYI with my wedding coming up next saturday and final preparations to be made, I won't be able to make any posts after Tuesday. I won't return from my honeymoon until after the 21st so that puts me out of action for basically two weeks. I can post one more time before I am gone but only if Shitagi and Van get a post up to continue that action. If not, it'll have to wait til I'm back. Also if you're intending to post something I need to respond to, please do so before the 8th or be prepared to wait a while for it. I appreciate the understanding from everyone.

Holy crap James....had no clue your wedding was that close. Hope everything goes well for you man.

As for myself it's been a crazy week. First real chance I've had to get online. Gonna catch myself up on everything and see about getting a post up sometime over the next 24 hours. While I'll be around just be aware that like James I myself will be scarce over the coming month. I've been grabbing extra hours at work in much the same way that a fat man at a buffet would grab fourths or fifths. Not only that but I've been busy helping my parents with their move. At some point in the next month we'll need to move the TV's/computers over to the new place. Once that moment comes I myself might be out of commission for a few days while everything is getting set up there (no net/no XBL).

[Kuro Espeon]

I'm working on a post. I'll try to have it up before Thursday, since that's when I'll be heading up to ol' New Jersey for my BIG BROTHER'S WEDDING HOLY CRAAAAP!! Anyway, I'll be back some time on Sunday. BUT like I said, I will try to post before that to leave Blade and Heald something to work with.

Although, I have a quick question for Blade. I'm not sure if things got messed up in the Dragonball count or not, but were you intending for Kura to have the Dragonball or Retasu? I think in the original thread Kura had a Dragonball in her possession initially, but I can't honestly remember if she gave it to Retasu at some point. o_o I'm cool with either way, I was just curious.

[Blademaster]

Retasu has it. Chita and Rothax not knowing which "female Saiyan" holds it is merely a lucky break on our heroes' part.

[Bear]

Ok so just a reminder my last day to post is tonight so if you're gonna involve me in something and need me to reply DO EET NAOW [/ahnold]

[Master Rudy]

Not sure if you're able to read this James but I've got mine up. Would have got it up sooner but I was still debating reusing the first half of my original post.

At worst I'll try to pad things out and drag the Van/Shitagi encounter if I need to but it's really starting to get hard to have Shitagi able to believably be able to fight

[Bear]

Alright I'll hop in there if it's ok with MoP.

[Kuro Espeon]

*claps hands together* There! I got the post up like I said! Now I'm outtie until Sunday, bitches! *disappears in a puff of smoke*

[Master Rudy]

Well with Blade gone due to computer issues, James out due to getting married (grats again bro) and MoP being MIA since the 30th I think it's safe to say things are going to slow up a bit. I may look into a post from Shitagi's POV on his rescue but other than that I don't have much to work with right now. Therefore I just suggest we all take a slight break for the time being. I figure all of us will be back and accounted for by the end of the month ^_~

[Blademaster]

I'm right here dumbass.

[Master Rudy]

Computer is fucked again. May be gone for awhile. Sorry about that.

Had me fooled.....

[Blademaster]

Today's the 17th.

Dumbass.