Mr Popo's Happy Funtimes Lounge (Dragonball SU Lounge)

[Bear]

You people are fucking ridiculous. Really? Are we doing this now? Are we threatening to leave RPGs, report people, get people banned, etc because we're pissy over how someone posted with our character?

GET THE FUCK OVER IT

This petty bullshit has gone on long enough, and despite my best efforts to keep things civil, we are still bickering over minor qualms instead of devoting our energy to IC posts.

Rudy - This is FUCKING DRAGONBALL. You know damn well your character will be wished back eventually. Why don't you use this opportunity as a challenge to do something DIFFERENT with your character for a while and expand your writing skills rather than INCESSANTLY BITCH about things? Jesus tittyfucking Christ...

Blade - Getting involved with MoP in secret over Rudy's character was not the right thing to do. You should be adult enough to include Rudy in the conversation, and hash out your issues together rather than giving up and saying "we're tired of Rudy doing (x, y, z) so fuck it let's just do it this way. I don't care if you two have complete opposite opinions on what should/shouldn't happen, and I don't care that you two don't get along. You're both in your mid-twenties, and as such should be mature enough to respect each others' opinions.

Heald - Don't even waste your time getting involved with this. Exerting your GMfluence will only exacerbate the situation and polarize the RPers against each other. Blade and Rudy and MoP are not children, and you should not hold their hands as such and intervene in their problems. If they can't resolve their issues man-to-man, solving it FOR them will not garner any progress. In my opinion, this is one fight you should stay out of, because it will only end in your own frustration.


ANYWAY, I've already made an in-character post continuing the plot, and acknowledging Shitagi's death, and I am not prepared to edit said post. Shitagi is dead, Shitagi will be wished back later undoubtedly, DEAL THE FUCK WITH IT.

I apologize for the harshness of my post, but you guys left me with no other choice. This RPG is GOING SOMEWHERE, and I am not prepared to let it be destroyed by the most minute of trivialities. I love and respect each and every one of you equally, so try your best not to be offended by my post, and take it as a friend giving you constructive criticism. I am quite comfortable in my role as a big brother, so that is how I view things.

[Heald]

Bear, I respect your input but when my PM inbox gets gradually filled up by requests to intervene, I am obliged to at least step in.

I'm not going to ret-con anything now, whilst I could, I am hoping that either MoP and Rudy can either come to some kind of agreement on this, or otherwise Rudy accepts that Shitagi is toast and re-evaluates his character's direction.

Blade, on the other hand, I am rather unhappy with a lot of what's been said.

For a start, you never once told me that MoP was going to leave the RPG, nor that the only thing that would keep him in it would be to let his character murder another player's character without that player's permission. If I was presented that ultimatum for ANY of my RPG's players, in any RPG, I'd show them the door, because there is no room for an ultimatum like that in any RPG.

That being said, you probably wanna know WHY Shitagi was a prime candidate to die. The simple answer is that, in spite of what you think, Shitagi is a Mary Sue and his tl;dr power-trip posts are honestly NOT that fun to work with. Let's take a look at everyone active in the RPG and discuss their handicaps and strengths

This is not a good reason to kill off a character. If you felt so strongly about Rudy's character, you should raise it with him in the first instance and with me in the second, not take it upon yourself to convince another player to kill him off.

Character deaths are key-points of stories, and should be used to develop the plot, not used to get rid of characters you find annoying (which appears, in this case, to be largely the reason why you pushed MoP to pull the trigger).

Do you see the difference, Rudy? I know you mentioned before that Heald or I could slap some sense into you if you went too far before, but I'm not gonna stand idly by while Paradox gets hung from the gallows for giving a very annoying character what he has coming.

You find the character annoying Blade. I personally felt Shitagi was contributing a lot to the RPG. I admit that there have been some Mary-Sueish aspects to the characters, but I was content letting Shitagi be the Goku of the RPG, and I have always been telling Rudy (usually by PM) when to edit his posts, and likewise he has PMed me to okay certain ideas with me before he posts them. I also fail to see how Hammer saving Shitagi's ass counts as Paradox getting hung from the gallows.

Now I doubt the action taken here will be permanent. But I'd personally like it if it woke you up a bit and stopped the whole thought process going on in this thread of 'You RP your way and I'll RP mine and we'll all work everything out.' Because as you're hopefully now seeing, that 'working out' can come back and bite you in the ass if you don't heed other people's issues.

Sorry, but I fail to see how Rudy offering to meet MoP halfway, only for you to go behind everyone's backs and convince MoP to disregard everything said in this thread counts as 'working things out'.

Now if you'll excuse me, my macaroni is cold and I have a driving test tomorrow, so I'm out of here. I apologize for what happened to both you and Paradox, but I hope that when I get back here tomorrow I see good news. This shit is getting old.

And this is classic Blade. Blade, you created this 'shit' and now you're hoping everyone else fixes it whilst you eat cold macaroni and go off terrorising pedestrians.

Blade, you have not handed this well. Not only that, you have played favourites and you have worked towards creating divisions between players rather than trying to resolve them. The latter you have succeeded in doing. It is for this reason that I am no longer happy for you to take executive-level decisions any more for this RPG. Carry on as you are with Rothax's side, but everyone else I get the final say on if it is raised.

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Bear, as for your in-game post, please note that Kuji and Hammer are on their way to West City, if they are not there already (although it is planned they take a diversion to Chita's fight once that has been finished), either way, they will not be at the Lookout.

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MoP, I don't want you to leave this RPG, Van adds a great dimension to the characters and he would be missed, but any issues you have need to be resolved in the open in future. If Rudy is content to allow Shitagi to move onto the Spirit World, and some kind of plan is hashed out to bring him back (preferably in this RPG), then awesome. Either way, since the RPG is now picking up speed, the last thing I want to do is have to bring it back, but the final decision rests with you Rudy. I will never force any of my players to make such decisions about their characters without their input on the matter.

[Blademaster]

Well this isn't what I expected.

Finally in regards to how good of a fighter he is has it not been clear that I've been hinting that he believes Basawe to be a better natural fighter?

Evidently as clear as it's been that I've been hinting as to otherwise.

Blade - Getting involved with MoP in secret over Rudy's character was not the right thing to do. You should be adult enough to include Rudy in the conversation, and hash out your issues together rather than giving up and saying "we're tired of Rudy doing (x, y, z) so fuck it let's just do it this way. I don't care if you two have complete opposite opinions on what should/shouldn't happen, and I don't care that you two don't get along. You're both in your mid-twenties, and as such should be mature enough to respect each others' opinions.

I agree and I apologize.

For a start, you never once told me that MoP was going to leave the RPG, nor that the only thing that would keep him in it would be to let his character murder another player's character without that player's permission.

Look, I don't wanna throw anybody under the bus here, but I never told you because I didn't know until about an hour before MoP's last post. This isn't something that was PLANNED OUT. I saw that the RPG had stalled due to the wedding, I was getting antsy, I asked Paradox to post, he was still mad at Rudy and not really into the RPG anymore, I suggested he give Rudy the same treatment that Rudy had given him, and he posted.

If you felt so strongly about Rudy's character, you should raise it with him in the first instance and with me in the second, not take it upon yourself to convince another player to kill him off.

Look I know what I did wasn't right, but in my defense, Shitagi's Sueism HAS been mentioned before and subsequently been brushed off.

Character deaths are key-points of stories

Again, not saying I was right, but in Dragonball, death holds a LOT less weight than in other media.

I also fail to see how Hammer saving Shitagi's ass counts as Paradox getting hung from the gallows.

The 'hanging from the gallows' part is what I assumed would happen to Paradox when all the angry posts started here. That's why I stepped in: so he wouldn't be unfairly e-stoned to death for something that was partially because of me.

Sorry, but I fail to see how Rudy offering to meet MoP halfway, only for you to go behind everyone's backs and convince MoP to disregard everything said in this thread counts as 'working things out'.

And this is classic Blade. Blade, you created this 'shit' and now you're hoping everyone else fixes it whilst you eat cold macaroni and go off terrorising pedestrians.

Blade, you have not handed this well. Not only that, you have played favourites and you have worked towards creating divisions between players rather than trying to resolve them. The latter you have succeeded in doing. It is for this reason that I am no longer happy for you to take executive-level decisions any more for this RPG. Carry on as you are with Rothax's side, but everyone else I get the final say on if it is raised.

OK, NOW you're getting a bit personal. I admit yet AGAIN that I'm in the wrong here, but it's not like I twirled my moustache and laughed when Shitagi died. I offered it as a suggestion and didn't think of the consequences until it was too late, and I'm sorry for that. And I didn't play favorites. Paradox told me he'd lost interest in the RPG and I didn't know how else to get him to come back, so I made a hasty suggestion that, yes, I should have thought through further before giving him. I didn't wanna divide anybody.

And as much as I really DON'T wanna end this post on a hostile note, what do you mean by 'executive-level decisions?' I haven't had any say in ANYTHING. Nobody tells me anything, sends me PM's, gives me the go-ahead or the shut up on anything I do. All I've done is make posts and offer suggestions; most of these suggestions have been either worked into the story or resolved. ONE of them went bad.