Michelle Bachman: I want honest opinions

[Magmar]

So having the best nightly ratings of the three news networks constitutes going down the shitter? Damn I would hate to see where you think MSNBC or CNN is right now.

Not being debunked left and right, that's where MSNBC and CNN are at... True they screw something up now and then, but it doesn't compare to the crock of shit on Fox. That's where I draw my line Roy. It's pathetic that your defense of Fox news is that it's the most popular. That's like saying because the Boston Red Sox gets the most TV views out of any baseball team, that they are the best team. It's unrelated to the degree of truth. Your argument is some kind of logical fallacy that I'm too lazy to look up and identify. Too bad Fox exaggerates shit and tell loads of lies. I don't see the so-called Liberal-biased media getting torn to shreds by all other media outlets because of their lies and scandals.

Just for fun! And on the subject biotch of the thread...

Oh, and here's a fun edit: As a couple of ya'll know, I take the bus, rather than drive. This is a very real issue affecting me right now, in that they are terminating service for most routes on the weekends and past 10 p.m. at night on some days and cutting the one bus line that goes to northwest RI, where most of my family lives. I don't get any bus fare reductions as a graduate student And here I will say Politifact is a little misinformed, as when they talk about the bus rides from Westerly, etc.: There is only one park-n-ride bus in the morning and one in the evening to most of the South County communities, and most of the most distant towns from Providence receive little to no bus service at all. There is no bus to Tiverton or Little Compton, which is not the most distant by straight line but can only be accessed by traveling through Massachusetts; most towns off the Route 1-4-95 north-south corridor only get service in a brief corner of the town; and the entirety of western Rhode Island is serviced by one line that runs 5 times a day (Twice for early morning commute, one afternoon trip, and two evening commute trips). Having to rely on "the 9" sucks.

Finally, not that anyone wants to hear me rant about RI anymore, but this one is for those who may wonder where in the US the most illegal drug users per capita are... Surprise! 1 in 9 Rhode Islanders are an active drug user, apparently. I haven't read into it enough to state that as hard fact. But it seems about right.

[Roy Karrde]

Not being debunked left and right, that's where MSNBC and CNN are at... True they screw something up now and then, but it doesn't compare to the crock of shit on Fox. That's where I draw my line Roy. It's pathetic that your defense of Fox news is that it's the most popular. That's like saying because the Boston Red Sox gets the most TV views out of any baseball team, that they are the best team. It's unrelated to the degree of truth. Your argument is some kind of logical fallacy that I'm too lazy to look up and identify. Too bad Fox exaggerates shit and tell loads of lies. I don't see the so-called Liberal-biased media getting torn to shreds by all other media outlets because of their lies and scandals.

Yeah MSNBC... the network with a liberal bias so badly that it eclipses every other news network is not being debunked left and right, except for well you know, places like Newsbusters and such. Then again the left does not eat their own, as such it is much easier to go after Fox, than it is to beat up on MSNBC for it's lies and mis statements.

[Magmar]

Yeah MSNBC... the network with a liberal bias so badly that it eclipses every other news network is not being debunked left and right, except for well you know, places like Newsbusters and such. Then again the left does not eat their own, as such it is much easier to go after Fox, than it is to beat up on MSNBC for it's lies and mis statements.

Tehe, I rarely quote wikipedia, but this one is good:

The Project on Excellence in Journalism report in 2006[44] showed that 68 percent of Fox cable stories contained personal opinions, as compared to MSNBC at 27 percent and CNN at 4 percent. The "content analysis" portion of their 2005 report also concluded that "Fox was measurably more one-sided than the other networks, and Fox journalists were more opinionated on the air."[48]

[Roy Karrde]

Tehe, I rarely quote wikipedia, but this one is good:

The Project on Excellence in Journalism report in 2006[44] showed that 68 percent of Fox cable stories contained personal opinions, as compared to MSNBC at 27 percent and CNN at 4 percent. The "content analysis" portion of their 2005 report also concluded that "Fox was measurably more one-sided than the other networks, and Fox journalists were more opinionated on the air."[48]

Curious if that report was put together under the fact that many fox news stories during the day time provide debate from both sides ( The whole fair and balance thing started because of a mandate originally that both sides of the story had to be interviewed when it came to opinions ). Based strictly on the amount of Opinion Talk Shows which liter the evening, and not the strict news shows that take up the day time portion on all three networks. MSNBC has the most of the Bias Opinion Talk Shows, followed by Fox, and then CNN. But that is manly because Fox does a pretty strict news only show at the 6 and 7 time slot before Bill O'Reilly, and then has Gretta which is more of a "Topic of the day" news show, than a Opinion Talk Show at the 10 time slot.

And Woz, it really is getting to the point that I am feeling sorry for you, you have trolled through most of the thread, now it is getting sad.

[Mew Master]

Your argument is some kind of logical fallacy that I'm too lazy to look up and identify.

Argument from Popularity.

It boils down to: "If the majority believes it, it must be true."

In context: "Lots of people like Nickleback, therefore Nickleback is good." (your millage may vary)

However, I don't think Fox News is that popular, since John Stewart is more popular than Fox. [sic]

Anyway, done politicking.. off to something more useful... like pulling tabs off of pillows.

[Magmar]

(your millage may vary)

Oh please tell me you spend countless hours on tvtropes.org <3 <3

FORZA SICILIA!

Gnarly to find a fellow Siciliano. And I see what you did there ... McWhopper ... clever ...

Forza sicilia
everyone else best be jealous of our antipasto.

[Mew Master]

Oh please tell me you spend countless hours on tvtropes.org <3 <3

Yes I did, and no kissing on the first date.

[Jeff]

Forza sicilia
everyone else best be jealous of our antipasto.

Except for those of us who are also Sicilian.

[Blademaster]

By the way the poor and rich have both gotten richer

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Your argument is some kind of logical fallacy that I'm too lazy to look up and identify.

Argumentum ad populum.

Except for those of us who are also Sicilian.

Bari represent.

[Roy Karrde]

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

http://www.economicmobility.org/asse...enerations.pdf

Median family income rose by 29% between the two generations, from $55,600 in inflation-adjusted dollars to $71,900. Average family incomes, grew even more rapidly, from $61,600 to $88,000 (a 43% increase). Income growth occurred throughout the income distribution for all five quintiles, as shown in the top chart above (click to enlarge), although family income in the top quintile grew by 52%, compared to 18% for the bottom fifth.

More than 2 out of every 3 Americans who were children in 1968 had higher levels of real family income in 1995–2002 than their parents had in 1967–1971 (see bottom chart above, click to enlarge). Children born to parents in the bottom fifth were MORE likely to surpass their parents’ income than children from any other background. More than four out of five children (82%) born to parents in the bottom quintile have greater family income than their parents. In contrast, less than half (43%) of those whose parents are in the top fifth of income surpass their parents.

There is significant upward income mobility, especially for the lowest income group. Children born to parents in the bottom quintile are more likely to surpass their parents’ income (82%) than are children from any other background.

http://mjperry.blogspot.com/2008/02/...-poor-are.html

And then there is this:

Roughly half of taxpayers who began in the bottom income quintile in 1996 moved up to a higher income group by 2005.

Economic growth resulted in rising incomes for most taxpayers over the period from 1996 to 2005. Median incomes of all taxpayers increased by 24 percent after adjusting for inflation. The real incomes of two-thirds of all taxpayers increased over this period. In addition, the median incomes of those initially in the lower income groups increased more than the median incomes of those initially in the higher income groups.

http://www.treasury.gov/resource-cen...3-08revise.pdf

[Gavin Luper]

Except for those of us who are also Sicilian.

:O YOU'RE SICILIAN TOO?

And Blade is from Bari?!

WTF.

How many wogs are there on TPM? And how, in the years preceding this thread, did we never identify through a common love of pasta and grappa and sleep?

Yes, I realise I am slightly derailing this thread.

[Blademaster]

:O YOU'RE SICILIAN TOO?

And Blade is from Bari?!

WTF.

How many wogs are there on TPM? And how, in the years preceding this thread, did we never identify through a common love of pasta and grappa and sleep?

Actually my great-grandparents are from Bari. Every generation since then has been American, though the culture really skipped over my mom's generation and got to me.

Yes, I realise I am slightly derailing this thread.

This thread's been derailed since Page 2. Though if the Powers That Be wish it, we can always just make a heritage-ish thread where we discuss our love of our native foods, alcohols (even though I don't drink), and predesignated resting periods.

[Gavin Luper]

This thread's been derailed since Page 2. Though if the Powers That Be wish it, we can always just make a heritage-ish thread where we discuss our love of our native foods, alcohols (even though I don't drink), and predesignated resting periods.

I, for one, support this.