2012 U.S. Presidential Election

[DarkestLight]

o.O This convo jumped from marriage to the debates. Yo I'm really tired of everyone saying Newt will kill Obama in debates. Seriously? Newt's been around for over 30 years, and he STILL has done nothing to actually prove ANY of his FDR praiseworthy speeches?

Yo you know what....what has Newt DONE in his career? He's been in politics for like 40 years. I know he balanced the budget in like 97 or some shit. I know he was the Speaker of the House and was around for what...3 presidents pre Obama (Reagan, First Bush..Clinton..right) ...

OK, take it back, he's done a bit of stuff. Fine. Ignorance on my part. New point. If he really thinks he can make a difference, then DON'T become the President :O Become the person that helps to pass the bills that helps the reform this nation needs. :/

He did good then, and I honestly don't think Obama would think it bad, but they'd probably would work better together than apart....:/ But there's just too much weird "OMG I NEED TO BE THE PRESIDENT TO GET THIS SHIT DONE". Conversely, Obreezy's agenda is taking too long for the common person because everything happens in 4 years [/sarcasm]. I honestly think that the American people are so wound up in a sense of entitlement that no one is ever going to get it right.

Cause no matter what...you don't finish growing until you finish GROWING. Same with the nation. You don't fix a nation until it moves in a direction to be fixed. We moved in a direction,and now everyone wants to stop and go in a different way when we haven't even seen what the hell can happen-cause people assume its gonna end bad. It might. But we'll never know because people are effing scared to go all the way.

We're so damned eager for immediate results (thank you better technology) that we forget that time is needed for these things to take effect. Now its hard to think of a year out. Back in 97, I could DREAM about 99. Now I'm like "FUCK WHERES Friday!" :/ The whole "trouble in the nation" is the same way. Balance the budget need to happen in seconds or the Govt will SHUT DOWN OMFG. I've heard that term more times this year than I have lost skin cells :/

Tossout: The DoucheyMcDoucheBaggerson that's the Speaker of the House now, OMFG I wanna punch him in the throat cause he SOUNDS unintelligent.

Side question: Roy-opinion on Rush Limbaugh? Like/Dislike, and why?

If this post made no sense I apologize. I'm in a wired mood and I just typed my thoughts out in a row as they came out of my head.

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o.O This convo jumped from marriage to the debates. Yo I'm really tired of everyone saying Newt will kill Obama in debates. Seriously? Newt's been around for over 30 years, and he STILL has done nothing to actually prove ANY of his FDR praiseworthy speeches?

I would be very interested in seeing debates between Newt and Obama. Newt is considered the "idea guy" of the Republican party, and he is generally regarded as brilliant to the GOP establishment. However people seems to forget that one of the biggest factor in Obama winning the 2008 election was because he is a fantastic, if not amazing, public speaker. I doubt he would just roll over to Newt in any debate.

[Roy Karrde]

o.O This convo jumped from marriage to the debates. Yo I'm really tired of everyone saying Newt will kill Obama in debates. Seriously? Newt's been around for over 30 years, and he STILL has done nothing to actually prove ANY of his FDR praiseworthy speeches?

Yo you know what....what has Newt DONE in his career? He's been in politics for like 40 years. I know he balanced the budget in like 97 or some shit. I know he was the Speaker of the House and was around for what...3 presidents pre Obama (Reagan, First Bush..Clinton..right) ...

Lets see took part in the Republican revolution, and was a key part in it in 1994. Brought about Contract With America and got it passed. Brought about not only a Balanced Budget, but actually a surplus. Brought about the first real Entitlement reform and got it passed a Democratic President. That is some pretty heavy stuff.

OK, take it back, he's done a bit of stuff. Fine. Ignorance on my part. New point. If he really thinks he can make a difference, then DON'T become the President :O Become the person that helps to pass the bills that helps the reform this nation needs. :/

He did good then, and I honestly don't think Obama would think it bad, but they'd probably would work better together than apart....:/ But there's just too much weird "OMG I NEED TO BE THE PRESIDENT TO GET THIS SHIT DONE". Conversely, Obreezy's agenda is taking too long for the common person because everything happens in 4 years [/sarcasm]. I honestly think that the American people are so wound up in a sense of entitlement that no one is ever going to get it right.

It doesn't help that Obama ran a campaign of bringing Hope and Change to the White House. He in reality has done neither. If people are fed up with how long everything is taking, then maybe we should start by looking at the idiot who raised everyone's expectations in the first place.

Cause no matter what...you don't finish growing until you finish GROWING. Same with the nation. You don't fix a nation until it moves in a direction to be fixed. We moved in a direction,and now everyone wants to stop and go in a different way when we haven't even seen what the hell can happen-cause people assume its gonna end bad. It might. But we'll never know because people are effing scared to go all the way.

We're so damned eager for immediate results (thank you better technology) that we forget that time is needed for these things to take effect. Now its hard to think of a year out. Back in 97, I could DREAM about 99. Now I'm like "FUCK WHERES Friday!" :/ The whole "trouble in the nation" is the same way. Balance the budget need to happen in seconds or the Govt will SHUT DOWN OMFG. I've heard that term more times this year than I have lost skin cells :/

We have around 9% unemployment, with far larger underemployment, a deficit that is spiraling out of control, and a foreign policy that is quickly alleinating our few allies left. The direction we are moving in, is one of utter failure.

Side question: Roy-opinion on Rush Limbaugh? Like/Dislike, and why?

Can't stand him or Hannity, I can appreciate what they did with Talk Radio, and how popular they have made it. But I cannot stand his style, or some of his insane views. Only time I even listen to Rush is when they have Mark Davis on, who is the only real Conservative Radio Host I even listen to.

I would be very interested in seeing debates between Newt and Obama. Newt is considered the "idea guy" of the Republican party, and he is generally regarded as brilliant to the GOP establishment. However people seems to forget that one of the biggest factor in Obama winning the 2008 election was because he is a fantastic, if not amazing, public speaker. I doubt he would just roll over to Newt in any debate.

You kind of answered your own question, he is a fantastic if not amazing public speaker. In other words he can deliver words written by some one else in a amazing manner. When he has to think on his feet, he tends to deliver alot of "umms" and goes off on wild tangents.

Team Obama in 2008 did not turn down McCain's offer for numerous debates around the country because they thought him being a great public speaker would win him the debates. They turned it down because when he doesn't have the words written out infront of him, he has problems.