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    I have a question directed at Roy. Mitt Romney and Newt Gingrich are both Republicans, right?

    Their venemous attacks against each other, which have only gotten worse, make them seem about as close as the Hatfields and the McCoys.

    How does the GOP plan to successfully defeat Obama if they keep fighting each other like this? Answer me that? Or will Gingrich do a complete 180 when Romney wins the nomination, say "I'm sorry", and decide to endorse him? It wouldn't surprise me given his hypocritical nature.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dark Sage View Post
    I have a question directed at Roy. Mitt Romney and Newt Gingrich are both Republicans, right?

    Their venemous attacks against each other, which have only gotten worse, make them seem about as close as the Hatfields and the McCoys.

    How does the GOP plan to successfully defeat Obama if they keep fighting each other like this? Answer me that? Or will Gingrich do a complete 180 when Romney wins the nomination, say "I'm sorry", and decide to endorse him? It wouldn't surprise me given his hypocritical nature.
    Because like every single primary, when the dust settles, everyone gets together at the convention, holds hands, and unites. I mean did you forget just 4 years ago, we saw a even nastier campaign with Hillary versus Obama, in which the fight continued through April and the Hillary fans looked as if they were ready to bolt for the GOP candidate? Yeah that lasted all the way until Hillary spoke at the convention.

    Edit: It also helps to have a great villain to unite against, and Obama being possibly the most polarizing President of all time really helps that out.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Roy Karrde View Post
    Edit: It also helps to have a great villain to unite against, and Obama being possibly the most polarizing President of all time really helps that out.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Heald View Post
    1861 would like to disagree with you.
    Actually its kind of the Washington Post that is saying it.

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/...g.html?hpid=z2

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    Oh, and about Solyandra...

    Yeah, they were big contributors to Obama's campaign...

    AND a lot of Republican election campaigns. Did you know that?

    And In response to your last post.... Bullshit. They got away with it on a technicality.

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    Thank you for your insightful review kurai.

    Quote Originally Posted by Dark Sage View Post
    Oh, and about Solyandra...

    Yeah, they were big contributors to Obama's campaign...

    AND a lot of Republican election campaigns. Did you know that?
    Yeah that doesn't make up for the connection with George Kaiser, or the fact that Solyndra officials visited the White House several times. Or the fact the White House emailed Solyndra and tried to get them to delay firings until after the election. Or the fact that a Republican Administration decided Solyndra wasn't worth the investment but a Democratic one decided to go ahead of it. Or the fact that while they knew the Solyndra ship was sinking the White House still wanted to push forward a new loan.

    Quote Originally Posted by Dark Sage View Post
    And In response to your last post.... Bullshit. They got away with it on a technicality.
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    I'm going to make a prediction if I may...

    No matter who wins the White House this fall, we're going to have more scandals like what happened with Solyandra. In fact, the chance will be even more likely if Romney wins.

    Why? Because of that idiotic Supreme Court ruling that allows corporations to make unlimited donations to campaigns.

    You know the one. The one that claims corporations are "people" (which makes as much sense as elves existing), the one that you Republicans just love because it helps your candidates so much.

    The corporations are going to donate millions to try to get their man elected, and at least one who donated to the winner is bound to be corrupt. I guarantee it.

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    Edit: Is this the next scandal? Obama would be beyond a idiot to keep Eric Holder now. ( And really he should have been fired at the start of Fast and Furious )

    Quote Originally Posted by Daily Caller
    A U.S. Justice Department source has told The Daily Caller that at least two DOJ prosecutors accepted cash bribes from allegedly corrupt finance executives who were indicted under court seal within the past 13 months, but never arrested or prosecuted.

    The sitting governor of the U.S. Virgin Islands, his attorney general and an unspecified number of Virgin Islands legislators also accepted bribes, the source said, adding that U.S. Attorney General Eric Holder is aware prosecutors and elected officials were bribed and otherwise compromised, but has not held anyone accountable.

    The bribed officials, an attorney with knowledge of the investigation told TheDC, remain on the taxpayers’ payroll at the Justice Department without any accountability. The DOJ source said Holder does not want to admit public officials accepted bribes while under his leadership.

    That source said that until the summer of 2011, the two compromised prosecutors were part of a team of more than 25 federal prosecutors pursuing a financial crime ring, and at least five other prosecutors tasked to the case were also compromised by the criminal suspects they were investigating, without being bribed.

    TheDC is withholding the name of the source, a knowledgeable government official who served on the Justice Department’s arrest team and was involved in the investigation, in order to prevent career retaliation from political figures in the Obama administration.

    A former high-level elected official vouches for the government source’s veracity. “[The source] was trustworthy … and you could tell [the source] information or [the source] could hear information and [the source] would keep things close to [the source’s] chest,” that former official told TheDC. “You could trust [the source] with your life.”

    The identities of the prosecutors who accepted bribes and others who were compromised have not yet been made public, and TheDC has not yet independently confirmed their identities. The prosecutors themselves are now cooperating with Justice Department investigators. (RELATED: Full coverage of the Justice Department)

    Eric Holder, the source said, personally approved the makeup of the investigation and arrest teams.

    “The team which was put in place, of course, in tracking all the information that we had — Holder had to sign off on the teams. He signed off on them a year and a half ago,” the source said during an interview. “He wasn’t fully in control of it, but of course the knowledge and approval of it came from him.”

    “There are internal documents, of course. He was briefed. He got a full scope of what transpired, and he got a full scope of what is going on with this case in particular. There is nothing going on in this case that Holder doesn’t know about right now.”

    DOJ leadership has been fretting internally, the source said, about how to handle the story when the news breaks because it represents a new level of corruption in the Obama administration. The Holder Justice Department is concerned about the appearance that it lacks the competence to enforce the laws in which Obama has shown political interest, including those related to corruption and other financial crimes.
    http://dailycaller.com/2012/02/01/br...#ixzz1lC6rGQ4y

    This really should be the last straw of a pathetic legacy of a pathetic man.
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    Wonder how many of you had the opportunity to hear what Mitt Romney had to say after his big victory in Florida. I didn't write it down, but I think I can fairly paraphrase. He said that, as president, he would not focus on the poor. While being poor is a bad thing, he felt that they can be taken care of by the "safety net." He would rather concentrate on the needs of the middle class.

    For those who did hear it, please let me know if my description is unfair. I would add that he said nothing about helping the poor to overcome poverty and aspire to the middle class.

    What bothers me is the hypocricy of it all. If I recall correctly, many on the right, most members of Romney's Republican Party, think of themselves as the party of Christian values. Romney, as you know, is a devout Mormon himself. I was always taught that charity and compassion for the poor are cornerstone values in the Christian faiths. Even Rick Perry implied as much in talking about immigration reform. Even Newt Gingrich, of all people, spoke on the subject. Does satisfaction with the "safety net" for the poor qualify as genuine charity? I don't think Obama would think so.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dark Sage View Post
    Wonder how many of you had the opportunity to hear what Mitt Romney had to say after his big victory in Florida. I didn't write it down, but I think I can fairly paraphrase. He said that, as president, he would not focus on the poor. While being poor is a bad thing, he felt that they can be taken care of by the "safety net." He would rather concentrate on the needs of the middle class.

    For those who did hear it, please let me know if my description is unfair. I would add that he said nothing about helping the poor to overcome poverty and aspire to the middle class.

    What bothers me is the hypocricy of it all. If I recall correctly, many on the right, most members of Romney's Republican Party, think of themselves as the party of Christian values. Romney, as you know, is a devout Mormon himself. I was always taught that charity and compassion for the poor are cornerstone values in the Christian faiths. Even Rick Perry implied as much in talking about immigration reform. Even Newt Gingrich, of all people, spoke on the subject. Does satisfaction with the "safety net" for the poor qualify as genuine charity? I don't think Obama would think so.
    Well seeing how Romney has donated far more to charity than Obama or Biden combined, that is a pretty poor comparison as for what he said, paraphrasing he said.

    My focus will not be on the poor they have a safety net, and if there are holes in the safety net I will fix them. My focus will not be on the rich, they are doing fine. My focus will be on the Middle Class, as they are the ones who have suffered the most under this Presidency.

    Was it a gaff? Yes? Was it also the truth? Yes. The Middle Class has suffered under Obama, with the loss of jobs.

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    The DJIA has just closed at its highest point since the crisis started. It is now more than five-thousand points above the mark where it was when Obama took office.

    Today's impressive gain was due to a better-than-expected unemployement report; unemployment is now the lowest its been since February 2009.

    Now... try to tell me that the economy has gotten worse during Obama's Presidency. Go on, explain to me how it's gotten worse. I'd love a good laugh.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dark Sage View Post
    The DJIA has just closed at its highest point since the crisis started. It is now more than five-thousand points above the mark where it was when Obama took office.

    Today's impressive gain was due to a better-than-expected unemployement report; unemployment is now the lowest its been since February 2009.

    Now... try to tell me that the economy has gotten worse during Obama's Presidency. Go on, explain to me how it's gotten worse. I'd love a good laugh.
    Today's "better than expected unemployment" numbers brought to you by 1.2 million people dropping out of the workforce!

    http://www.zerohedge.com/news/record...-rate-tumbles-

    The Labor Force participation rate is now at the lowest point since April of 1983.

    So hey, if we kick even more people out of the economy, we may finally get to the point at unemployment of when Obama took office!


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