2012 U.S. Presidential Election

[Dark Sage]

For once I agree with Blade. People who say that "Obama is the worst President of all time" don't know their history. Or flunked it completely.

The latest poll among scholars that lists all the Presidents by their competancy and popularity makes Obama number 14 among Presidents (a tie with Lyndon B. Johnson), which is rather good, actually. Of course, Obama has only been included in two of these polls so far. (The other poll, taken in 2010, listed him as 15th.) He's in the second quartile among Presidents, which means he's among the second-best. (There are four quartiles. Folks like Geaorge Washington, Abraham Lincoln, and Thomas Jefferson are in the first.)

The worst ten Presidents are usually said to be Warren G. Harding, James Buchanan, Andrew Johnson, Franklin Pierce, William Henry Harrison, Millard Fillmore, Ulysses Grant, John Tyler, Zachary Taylor and Richard Nixon. Harrison is sometimes ommitted, seeing as he died 32 days after taking office.

And I have studied all their careers. I defy you to say that they did better than Obama is doing.

So please, stop saying that he's the worst President ever, and look at the facts.

Edit: A lot of people ask me, "Why do you support Obama? What good has he done for this country?"

Well, let's see... His accomplishments haven't accounted to much, except...

1. Fair pay for women in the workplace

2. Stimulus that prevented a second Great Depression

3. Saved the U.S. auto industry

4. Biggest health care reform measure in U.S. history

5. Credit card reform

6. Financial industry reform

7. Student loan reform

8. Investments in clean energy

9. End of DADT

10. End of Iraq War

11. End of Osama bin Laden

12. End of Muammar Gaddafi

13. Improved services to veterans

14. 10 straight quarters of economic growth

15. $25 billion BP oil spill settlement without years of litigation

16. DJIA back up to pre-meltdown levels

17. Two terrific Supreme Court appointments

18. 123 additional federal judges appointed who are not right wing ideologues

19. Ended restrictions on stem cell research

20. He’s kept us safe (isn’t that what they used to say about his predecessor?)

This list, incidentally, is taken from the same Washington Post article that Roy linked to.

[Roy Karrde]

For once I agree with Blade. People who say that "Obama is the worst President of all time" don't know their history. Or flunked it completely.

The latest poll among scholars that lists all the Presidents by their competancy and popularity makes Obama number 14 among Presidents (a tie with Lyndon B. Johnson), which is rather good, actually. Of course, Obama has only been included in two of these polls so far. (The other poll, taken in 2010, listed him as 15th.) He's in the second quartile among Presidents, which means he's among the second-best. (There are four quartiles. Folks like Geaorge Washington, Abraham Lincoln, and Thomas Jefferson are in the first.)

The worst ten Presidents are usually said to be Warren G. Harding, James Buchanan, Andrew Johnson, Franklin Pierce, William Henry Harrison, Millard Fillmore, Ulysses Grant, John Tyler, Zachary Taylor and Richard Nixon. Harrison is sometimes ommitted, seeing as he died 32 days after taking office.

People said the exact same thing about Bush, it is just a clue at how polarized our country has become.

1. Fair pay for women in the workplace

Already on the books, making it a redundant law.

2. Stimulus that prevented a second Great Depression

Ended up being a colossal failure and a waste of money on a grand scale.

4. Biggest health care reform measure in U.S. history

Probably will end up being unconstitutional.

5. Credit card reform

Caused Banks like Bank of America to switch to different fees to hurt consumers.

6. Financial industry reform

Did not address the real problems of our financial crisis in Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac.

8. Investments in clean energy

Like the Stimulus ended up being a massive failure, and has caused millions if not billions of dollars lost.

9. End of DADT

Would have been ended by the courts.

10. End of Iraq War

Did so on George W Bush's timeline.

11. End of Osama bin Laden

No brainer.

12. End of Muammar Gaddafi

Did so in a unconstitutional fashion

14. 10 straight quarters of economic growth

Of incredibly weak economic growth.

17. Two terrific Supreme Court appointments

18. 123 additional federal judges appointed who are not right wing ideologues

Both opinions and not fact.

19. Ended restrictions on stem cell research

By destroying a compromise between the Right and Left, which will make a Right Wing President even easier to restrict it in ways far harder than the compromise.

20. He’s kept us safe (isn’t that what they used to say about his predecessor?)

By luck alone we have not had two terror attacks, one on a airplane, and one in Time Square.

[Dark Sage]

Those are the same arguement are hear from every other member of the GOP on those issues. I learn to ignore them.

Oh, and by the way... In the same polls of Presidents, G.W. Bush averaged 34th (he was in six polls total), putting him in the fourth quartile.

If you want to see how all Presidents stack up in these polls, here they are on Wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Histori..._United_States

[Roy Karrde]

Those are the same arguement are hear from every other member of the GOP on those issues. I learn to ignore them.

Maybe because they are the same poor arguments Liberals use to defend Obama?

Oh, and by the way... In the same polls of Presidents, G.W. Bush averaged 34th (he was in six polls total), putting him in the fourth quartile.

If you want to see how all Presidents stack up in these polls, here they are on Wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Histori..._United_States

Sure but I wouldn't put too much credence in polls of those professors.

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/...ings/?page=all

I love how some American is claiming Obama can take credit for finishing Gaddafi despite it being a largely British led and backed effort.

And you guys did a great job, I just wish we could get the world to acknowledge the same kind of trouble in Syria.