2012 U.S. Presidential Election

[Dark Sage]

Roy, the GOP forced him to make a decision too early. IMOHO, it was a dirty trick. They knew he'd have to say no because he wasn't given enough time to discuss it, and now they can blame him for it.

Besides, the purpose of the pipeline would have been to export oil, not for the United States to use it.

[Roy Karrde]

Roy, the GOP forced him to make a decision too early. IMOHO, it was a dirty trick. They knew he'd have to say no because he wasn't given enough time to discuss it, and now they can blame him for it.

Okay this has to be the most pathetic excuse I have ever seen. The entire reason Obama wanted to postpone the decision was not for more discussion but for political purposes. He did not want to risk having to hurt either the unions or the environmentalists, so he postponed the decision until AFTER the election. If you honestly think it was anything else, then you really are drinking the coolaid. Honestly think about it, why post pone to 2013 on a decision that no matter what will hurt either one side of your base or the other?

Besides, the purpose of the pipeline would have been to export oil, not for the United States to use it.

It would also have helped our supply and lowered the cost of crude on the market. Especially now that Iran is cutting exports.

[Dark Sage]

Okay, enough is enough.

I've had enough anti-Obama rhetoric. You're hardly the first diehard GOP I've heard it from, Roy.

Therefore, I will not argue with you any longer.

From this point on, I will come to this thread to post facts, and nothing else. I will no longer even respond to any attempt to blame Obama for the facts I present.

And Roy, if Santorum wins the nomination, you can vote for him if you want. It's your right. But I certainly won't.

[DarkestLight]

then you really are drinking the coolaid.

Um ..Kool-Aid. There's no debate about this. Get it right next time, or we're gonna hafta take this outside.


Side note: 5 dollars a gallon across the country is highly likely, seeing as right now its nearing 4 on the coasts, and wasn't it but a few summers ago when it hit over 5 in some places?

Uhh other side note: Fossil fuels are a renewable resource.
Humans just won't be around to see it.

[Dark Sage]

Here's something to think about.

Romney burned through over $18 million last month financing his campaign, which is more than four times the amount that Santorum even has. Yet, Romney had a terrible month, only winning primaries in New Hampshire and Florida. Santorum, on the other hand, is doing rather well.

Compared to Romney, Santorum's finances can be compared to those of Oliver Twist. So I ask you, what does this show?

If you ask me, it shows that money isn't working any more. Candidates can spend all they want on negative advertising, but people just are listening to it anymore. We're getting to the point where, it seems, elections cannot be bought.

And that may be good news for Obama. With this recent trend, no matter how many billions the Super Pacs spend on trying to demonize him, people are going to make logical decisions.

Which means we may have actually have an election where the one more fit for the job wins.

[Roy Karrde]

Here's something to think about.

Romney burned through over $18 million last month financing his campaign, which is more than four times the amount that Santorum even has. Yet, Romney had a terrible month, only winning primaries in New Hampshire and Florida. Santorum, on the other hand, is doing rather well.

Compared to Romney, Santorum's finances can be compared to those of Oliver Twist. So I ask you, what does this show?

If you ask me, it shows that money isn't working any more. Candidates can spend all they want on negative advertising, but people just are listening to it anymore. We're getting to the point where, it seems, elections cannot be bought.

And that may be good news for Obama. With this recent trend, no matter how many billions the Super Pacs spend on trying to demonize him, people are going to make logical decisions.

Which means we may have actually have an election where the one more fit for the job wins.

Is that good news for Obama? That means that demonizing Romney won't work, which is something he will desperately try to do, which in turn means the election will be a referendum on Obama's pathetic history. Something that he really cannot run on.

[Dark Sage]

Romney has a lot of skeletons in his closet too, which is why he is floundering. And at this point, I'm not certain that Romney will be the nominee.

If he loses Michigan (his home state, I might add), it's not gonna look very good.

And if Romney doesn't win the nomination... Well, I agree with Herald, I thing Santorum has no chance.

[Roy Karrde]

Romney has a lot of skeletons in his closet too, and at this point, I'm not certain that Romney will be the nominee.

If he loses Michigan (his home state, I might add), it's not gonna look very good.

And if Romney doesn't win the nomination... Well, I agree with Herald, I thing Santorum has no chance.

But here is the thing, as you said if money and attacks are not working it does not matter how many skeletons a person has in their closet be it Romney or Santorum. It becomes a referendum on Obama's record, which more than likely is what this election will be anyway. But even more so if people do not care about personal attacks.