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    Quote Originally Posted by Roy Karrde View Post
    Yet it all depends on which is more energized, Catholics who see this as a attack against their church are going to be far more energized about it than your everyday woman off the street.
    Yes, I said that mobilization is important. But you can see from the polling data that women find women's issues more divisive than Catholics - it is more important in their voting preferences, and it is a much larger overall group, and so small changes have larger electoral effects.

    Speculative worry over gas prices is not that complicated. Here is a graph:



    We can see two things:

    - upcoming seasonal shifts
    - a gradual return to pre-crash values (then shifted upwards by commodity speculation), and coordinate retail price increases

    Why the gradual rise? Overall economic recovery, probably. Blame Obama for that, if you want? Why the rush for this commodity now? Panic over Iran and the Strait of Hormuz. You can blame Obama for foreign policy blunders (though the population is evenly divided on his successes in the field), but unless one is expecting price controls or nationalization of the oil industry, nothing can immediately alleviate this problem on the consumer level (and neither of these things will happen).

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    Quote Originally Posted by kurai View Post
    Yes, I said that mobilization is important. But you can see from the polling data that women find women's issues more divisive than Catholics - it is more important in their voting preferences, and it is a much larger overall group, and so small changes have larger electoral effects.
    Except as noted this is not a simple women's issue but a direct attack on the Catholic church, if this was just a argument over abortion or contraception you would be right, however you are not.

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    - upcoming seasonal shifts
    - a gradual return to pre-crash values (then shifted upwards by commodity speculation), and coordinate retail price increases

    Why the gradual rise? Overall economic recovery, probably. Blame Obama for that, if you want? Why the rush for this commodity now? Panic over Iran and the Strait of Hormuz. You can blame Obama for foreign policy blunders (though the population is evenly divided on his successes in the field), but unless one is expecting price controls or nationalization of the oil industry, nothing can immediately alleviate this problem on the consumer level (and neither of these things will happen).
    The panic over Iran and the Straight of Hormuz is largely driving the prices that is for sure, as speculation about Israel's attack heightens. However Obama's reluctance to engage in domestic energy production can be faulted for some of this, as moving sources to more stable areas such as at home, instead of relying on the Middle East would mitigate some of that fear.

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    Roy, if the GOP wants to blame Obama for the high price of gas, they're also going to have to come up with a feasable solution of their own.

    "I've developed a program for American energy so no future president will ever bow to a Saudi king again, and so every American can look forward to $2.50-a-gallon gasoline," former House Speaker Newt Gingrich said in the Wednesday night GOP debate in Mesa, Ariz. He calls his strategy "Drill Here, Drill Now."
    Pardon me for being skeptical, Mr. Gingrich, but that's the same thing that every GOP candidate says every election year. We have yet to see any results.

    The truth is, neither Obama nor any Republican candidate can do a thing about the high price of gas, and only an idiot would think that a new President would bring the price down.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dark Sage View Post
    Roy, if the GOP wants to blame Obama for the high price of gas, they're also going to have to come up with a feasable solution of their own.


    Pardon me for being skeptical, Mr. Gingrich, but that's the same thing that every GOP candidate says every election year. We have yet to see any results.

    The truth is, neither Obama nor any Republican candidate can do a thing about the high price of gas, and only an idiot would think that a new President would bring the price down.
    So I take it Obama was being a idiot in 2008 by believing that he could bring high gas prices down?

    The GOP has already come up with a fesable solution, work on bringing more domestic energy in line over here, from Keystone to drilling both things would help shift us away from having to rely on Mid East oil.

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