2012 U.S. Presidential Election

[RedStarWarrior]

I'm not voting for Romney regardless.

[DarkestLight]

Everyone vote for me, we all get new cars :/ Bring in your old one, you get a new one. Done. No heckle for prices. No nothing. Just new car.

Catch? Gotta be same brand.make.model or something very comparable. So no 1965 VW BUS FOR A 2013 Mustang.:/

Then, take all old cars, turn them into something useful. Like I dunno...a FUCKING PIPELINE >.> Then, take said pipeline, and connect Canada to the US, and use the extra as a massive solar panel to fuel the country :O

Impossible? No, would take 3 years max to get pipeline built and then to connect solar grid to existing power grid and make enhancements. Can be done with cars as well.

So Vote for me in a few months! Save you THOUSANDS of dollars and you get a new car!

[Roy Karrde]

Every member of the GOP is on Mr. Obama's back about his quote-unquote "intimidation" of the U.S. Supreme Court, calling him a "bully", saying that no self-respecting President would have done this...

I've got three-and-a-half words for those members of the GOP: The Dread Scott Case.

Was Abraham Lincoln a "self-respecting President"? I think he was.

And by the way, someone else mentioned the same three-and-a-half words recently when addressing this issue: Newt Gingrich.

Funny thing is, Obama is a Constitutional Scholar, and as such he should know that the President ( Something that Newt Gingrich isn't ) should not attempt to intimidate the Supreme Court. I guess the truth is, that he is not only a crappy President, but a crappy Constitutional Scholar.

Just curious but I cannot see where Lincoln spoke out against the Dred Scott Case while it was in deliberation. The ruling was made March 6, 1857 and Lincoln's first speech on it that I can find was June 26, 1857. By the way, that was also 3 years before Lincoln was elected, so it wouldn't have mattered anyway as he wasn't President at the time.

[Dark Sage]

Sure, Roy, sure.

It's fine when the GOP speaks out against judges who strike down laws that impose tough abortion laws or limit the rights of homosexuals, but when Democrats do it, it's wrong.

You can't tell me with a straight face that GOP wouldn't be doing the same thing if this was their landmark case that was up for scrutiny by the Court.

[Roy Karrde]

Sure, Roy, sure.

It's fine when the GOP speaks out against judges who strike down laws that impose tough abortion laws or limit the rights of homosexuals, but when Democrats do it, it's wrong.

You can't tell me with a straight face that GOP wouldn't be doing the same thing if this was their landmark case that was up for scrutiny by the Court.

I don't mind if the GOP does it as a party, I have a problem when the President does it. The President is supposed to be above that, and not try to influence or threaten the court. Remember this isn't the first time Obama has done it, when he dressed them down at the State of the Union on the Citizens United case, people were pretty pissed too for his petty attitude.

[Dark Sage]

I want to share something that my dad (the political science teacher) just brought up.

Mitt Romney (and all Republicans for that matter) keeps criticising the President on his record.

Do you ever notice how Romney never talks about his record as govonor of Massachusetts? He raised taxes, mandated health care (just like Obama wants to do), made the state 47th in job creation, gave it the biggest debt in Massachusetts history...

Maybe he should answer to all that. Why do you think he didn't run for a second term?

[Roy Karrde]

I want to share something that my dad (the political science teacher) just brought up.

Mitt Romney (and all Republicans for that matter) keeps criticising the President on his record.

Do you ever notice how Romney never talks about his record as govonor of Massachusetts? He raised taxes, mandated health care (just like Obama wants to do), made the state 47th in job creation, gave it the biggest debt in Massachusetts history...

Because his Governor record is designed around a centerist approach and would not be right to use during a Republican Primary in which you are tacking to the right. As a political science teacher your dad should know that or he must be a really terrible teacher.

Maybe he should answer to all that. Why do you think he didn't run for a second term?

Because he left office to focus on a Presidential run in 2007?

[Blademaster]

govonor

...

your dad should know that or he must be a really terrible teacher.

Wouldn't be the first one he's had.

[Dark Sage]

Well, Roy, he did have a Master's Degree from Providence College, and was Head of the Social Sciences Department with full tenure at the school where he worked until he retired a few years ago... I'd say he's doing something right...

[Roy Karrde]

Well, Roy, he did have a Master's Degree from Providence College, and was Head of the Social Sciences Department with full tenure at the school where he worked until he retired a few years ago... I'd say he's doing something right...

Then it's disgusting partisanship man, I mean my God knowing that Presidential Candidates move toward one side of the spectrum during the primary before moving toward the center during the main election is like Politics 101

[Dark Sage]

Blade, my dad lives in Connecticut, and you won't find much love for the GOP there.

I mean, the best they could offer for the Senate race in 2010 was some phony balony wrestling promoter. I mean really.

And it's no surprise to me that Roy puts all his support behind the GOP. Texas would go to them even if it were Nixon running in this election.

Me? I just think that Obama sounds a lot more lucid than any of the clowns that the GOP is offering.

[Roy Karrde]

Blade, my dad lives in Connecticut, and you won't find much love for the GOP there.

I mean, the best they could offer for the Senate race in 2010 was some phony balony wrestling promoter. I mean really.

And it's no surprise to me that Roy puts all his support behind the GOP. Texas would go to them even if it were Nixon running in this election.

Me? I just think that Obama sounds a lot more lucid than any of the clowns that the GOP is offering.

Dude I live in Dallas County, one of the bluest spots in Texas outside of Austin ( Otherwise known as the San Fransisco of the South for its Liberalism ) do not have such a monolithic approach to where people live.

[Dark Sage]

I still say that the only thing a politician would have to do to win Texas would be to join the GOP.

And I'm not changing that view.

[Roy Karrde]

I still say that the only thing a politician would have to do to win Texas would be to join the GOP.

And I'm not changing that view.

Yeah that is why we have had so many Democratic Governors in the past few decades, and why Dallas has had several Democratic Mayors in the past two decades, including one that is currently serving in the Obama Administration ( Ron Kirk )

[Blademaster]

Blade

What?

my dad lives in Connecticut, and you won't find much love for the GOP there.

I mean, the best they could offer for the Senate race in 2010 was some phony balony wrestling promoter. I mean really.

...OK, and you're telling me this because...?

Also, legit question: Why do you insist on misspelling a popular variety of lunchmeat everytime you want to use the word 'bullshit?' Is it some deep-ingrained remnant of grade school TV shows, or do you legit not know how to spell the word 'bologna?'

And it's no surprise to me that Roy puts all his support behind the GOP. Texas would go to them even if it were Nixon running in this election.

Yeah, Roy's just slightly biased towards the right-hand side of the spectrum. It can be hard to notice, though.

Me? I just think that Obama sounds a lot more lucid than any of the clowns that the GOP is offering.

Maybe; I still stand by my original idea of getting rid of Presidents and having a council of mathematicians and accountants running shit so the ten gorillion dollar deficit gets under control sometime before the next coming of Jesus.


Also, Happy Easter Misc.!

[Dark Sage]

"Bologna" means lunchmeat.

"Balony" is a tame word for bullshit, often accompanied with the word "phoney".

[Roy Karrde]

Rick Santorum is officially suspending his campaign, his press conference should be interesting, is he going to take the road Hillary took and try to start the healing, or not.

[Heald]

Santorum should have suspended his campaign about 40 years ago.

And by his campaign, I mean his ability to breath. He is the worst kind of person and the world would do well to be rid of his kind. In fact I feel he stopped taking in oxygen when he was about 13 and every action and opinion he has had since has been a direct result of the brain damage caused by it. The only reason he is not dead is because he is such a simple, stupid being that his body requires only the kinetic movement around him to be able to function.

[Magmar]

Hallelujah! Goodbye Santorum! Now we just have to contend with the hypocrite. R-Money.

@Dark Sage, your dad went to PC? I go there now for my MBA!! Interesting, they don't offer an MA in political science, at least anymore. They do offer master's degrees in education, though. And, it is baloney, not balony You eat bologna but baloney is... the GOP.

[Dark Sage]

Santorum should have suspended his campaign about 40 years ago.

And by his campaign, I mean his ability to breath. He is the worst kind of person and the world would do well to be rid of his kind. In fact I feel he stopped taking in oxygen when he was about 13 and every action and opinion he has had since has been a direct result of the brain damage caused by it. The only reason he is not dead is because he is such a simple, stupid being that his body requires only the kinetic movement around him to be able to function.

Gee, Heald, we agree on something.

My parting words to Santorum are: goodbye, good riddance, and go to Hell.

Edit: Magmar: His MA was in Social Sciences, I believe. That field includes Political Science.

[Roy Karrde]

Hallelujah! Goodbye Santorum! Now we just have to contend with the hypocrite. R-Money.

More like it is now time for Obama to start worrying, as now the attention turns from Romney to Obama and his record, or lack there of.

[Dark Sage]

Whatever you say Roy.

And if Obama is ahead of Romney when the next polls come out, you won't be able to brush them off by saying that the GOP is split.

[Roy Karrde]

Whatever you say Roy.

And if Obama is ahead of Romney when the next polls come out, you won't be able to brush them off by saying that the GOP is split.

The GOP split needs to heal and it will over the next few months. Hopefully though the next few polls wont be as pathetically bias as the new WaPo/ABC poll.

[Dark Sage]

Want to know why Santorum dropped out? I'll tell you why he dropped out.

He was going to lose his home state to Romney. That would have been the biggest humiliation. People would start thinking he was a bigger loser than Gingrich.

Heck, they might have even started thinking he was a bigger loser than Walter Mondale.

Both opinions would have been true, by the way.

So rather than be humiliated, he took the easy way out and quit.

[Roy Karrde]

Want to know why Santorum dropped out? I'll tell you why he dropped out.

He was going to lose his home state to Romney. That would have been the biggest humiliation. People would start thinking he was a bigger loser than Gingrich.

Heck, they might have even started thinking he was a bigger loser than Walter Mondale.

Both opinions would have been true, by the way.

So rather than be humiliated, he took the easy way out and quit.

Edit: So this post isn't a total waste, Romney has decided to turn the War on Women meme against Obama.

"“There’s been some talk about a war on women,” Romney said. “The real war on women has been waged by the Obama administration’s failure on the economy.”

...

“Do you know what percent of job losses in the Obama years have been casualties of women losing jobs as opposed to men?,” Romney said. “92.3 percent of the job losses during the Obama years have been women who lost those jobs. The real war on women has been the job losses as a result of the Obama economy.”"

[Dark Sage]

That's going to be a very tough sell on women voters, Roy, especially since his campaign publically supported that failed contraception bill a few weeks ago.

And don't tell me his lies about how he personally opposed it. He can't have his cake and eat it to.

[Roy Karrde]

That's going to be a very tough sell on women voters, Roy, especially since his campaign publically supported that failed contraception bill a few weeks ago.

And don't tell me his lies about how he personally opposed it. He can't have his cake and eat it to.

So you are saying women care more about contraception than they do jobs and employment?

[Dark Sage]

They care about their health, Roy. The GOP seems intent on keeping them barefoot and pregnant.

And I'd love to see where Mitt got these statistics. Has a greater percentage of women lost jobs under Obama than under Bush? The sad fact is, women have always lost jobs at a higher rate than men and haven't been hired as much. The reason for this is the proverbial "glass ceiling that the GOP tries hard to keep in place.

Women had to fight just to gain the right to vote, something that many blowhards like Rush Limbaugh would no doubt love to revoke.

[Roy Karrde]

They care about their health, Roy. The GOP seems intent on keeping them barefoot and pregnant.

If the GOP cares about that, then why is it that the Obama Administration has put them in a position of joblessness in this economy, and thus keep them barefoot.

And again I ask, do they care more about contraception than jobs and the economy? I want a clear answer from you, a man, as to what women care about more.

And I'd love to see where Mitt got these statistics. Has a greater percentage of women lost jobs under Obama than under Bush? The sad fact is, women have always lost jobs at a higher rate than men. The reason for this is the proverbial "glass ceiling that the GOP tries hard to keep in place.

Really? last time I checked the GOP was in a position to put a woman in the VP office, breaking the glass ceiling, and the Dems were obsessed with keeping that glass ceiling intact.

Women had to fight just to gain the right to vote, something that many blowhards like Rush Limbaugh would no doubt love to revoke.

Proof?

[Dark Sage]

Roy, isn't is obvious that Mitt only said this because he knows he's losing women voters in droves and he's desperate to get them back?

Open your eyes for a minute. I mean really.

Edit: Proof? He mocks women, insults women, calls them "feminazis"... IMOHO, he hates women.

[Roy Karrde]

Roy, isn't is obvious that Roy only said this because he knows he's losing women voters in droves and he's desperate to get them back?

Open your eyes for a minute. I mean really.

Sure it is pandering, but then again that is what Obama has been doing. Or have you noticed that Obama is willing to talk about anything but the economy and or his accomplishments while in office.

Open your eyes for a minute. I mean really.

Edit: Proof? He mocks women, insults women, calls them "feminazis"... IMOHO, he hates women.

He hates feminist, or more in the line of militant feminism ( Thus the word Feminazis ( Feminist + Nazis )). But that is hardly proof of wishing to revoke their right to vote.

[Dark Sage]

Roy, I have, several times, listed Obama's accomplishments...

Accomplishments like ending Don't Ask Don't Tell... Eliminating Osama Bin Laden... Providing aid for veterans...

I don't have the full list handy because I'm on my iPad right now, but I can get it later. Considering that he's had to deal with a House that has been focused on opposing everything he's done, he's done a lot.

[Roy Karrde]

Roy, I have, several times, listed Obama's accomplishments...

Accomplishments like ending Don't Ask Don't Tell... Eliminating Osama Bin Laden... Providing aid for veterans...

I don't have the full list handy because I'm on my iPad right now, but I can get it later. Considering that he's had to deal with a House that has been focused on opposing everything he's done, he's done a lot.

Notice only one of those ( Eliminating Bin Laden ) he has used on the stump, and even that is wearing thin. We can go through the list of accomplishments or lack there of, but you have made my point, of those three you listed off none of them actually deals directly with improving the economy. Not a single one. If those are going to be his accomplishments that he focuses on, he should go on and pack up, as he will not have a second term.

[Dark Sage]

Okay Roy...

I want proof that unemployment for women actually got worse under the Obama administration. Proportionately to that of men,

Go on, give me the link.

[Roy Karrde]

Okay Roy...

I want proof that unemployment for women actually got worse under the Obama administration. Proportionately to that of men,

Go on, give me the link.

"The figure comes from a Bureau of Labor Statistics report that says there are 740,000 few non-farm payroll jobs since Obama took office in 2009, and that 683,000 women lost jobs in that same time frame."

http://thehill.com/video/campaign/22...medium=twitter

[Dark Sage]

Your link offers no comparison to what women's unemployment was like during any other administration, and thus does not prove that Obama made it worse.

I'm still waiting.

[Roy Karrde]

Your link offers no comparison to what women's unemployment was like during any other administration, and thus does not prove that Obama made it worse.

I'm still waiting.

You never asked for either of those things, only that women had worse unemployment than men, of which I provided. If you wish to do your own analysis of the Bureau of Labor Statistics report be my guest.

[Dark Sage]

Roy, you misunderstood me. See, as I said before, unemployment for women has ALWAYS been higher than unemployment for men. Romney is pretending that this is a new thing, when he's actually stating the obvious.

He's going to have to do better than give statistics that have been true for decades if he wants to draw women voters.

[Roy Karrde]

Roy, as I said before, unemployment for women has ALWAYS been higher than unemployment for men. Romney is pretending that this is a new thing, when he's actually stating the obvious.

He's going to have to do better than give statistics that have been true for decades if he wants to draw women voters.

Unemployment as a percentage, and that is mainly because many women are housewives. However this is not talking about unemployment as a percentage but actual jobs lost thus taking the housewife element out of it, there is a difference and a massive one.

[kurai]

If you wish to do your own analysis of the Bureau of Labor Statistics report be my guest.

good idea

Men

Year	Percent of Group Population Employed

1990	72.0
1991	70.4
1992	69.8
1993	70.0
1994	70.4
1995	70.8
1996	70.9
1997	71.3
1998	71.6
1999	71.6
2000	71.9
2001	70.9
2002	69.7
2003	68.9
2004	69.2
2005	69.6
2006	70.1
2007	69.8
2008	68.5
2009	64.5
2010	63.7
2011	63.9

Women

Year	Percent of Group Population Employed

1990	54.3
1991	53.7
1992	53.8
1993	54.1
1994	55.3
1995	55.6
1996	56.0
1997	56.8
1998	57.1
1999	57.4
2000	57.5
2001	57.0
2002	56.3
2003	56.1
2004	56.0
2005	56.2
2006	56.6
2007	56.6
2008	56.2
2009	54.4
2010	53.6
2011	53.2

women lost 3.0% over 2008-2011 versus men losing 4.6%

women lost 1.2% over 2009-2011 versus men losing 0.6%

women lost 1.5% over 2000-2004 versus men losing 2.7%

women lost 0.5% over 1990-1992 versus men losing 2.2%

as a consequence of the coincidence of global macroeconomic factors and western gender roles, for decades the trend has been that the permanent loss of (male-oriented) full-time manufacturing jobs is much more likely than (gender-neutral) losses in part-time service employment.

is the 2009-2011 period particularly indicative of an obama 'war against women'?

consider that the devastating turn of events in the 2008-2009 period (4% of men, 1.8% of women) sloughed off nearly all the disposable men, and the rest of the losses were not especially gender biased (in the service sector). in turn, the recovery for men began earlier (men gained 0.2% over 2010-2011) - almost certainly found through the vast surplus of such labour then available in the american market. the recovery of jobs for women has not really happened yet, and has been steady at around 52.9-53.4% (seasonally adjusted) since 2010. perhaps it will only remain steady at the 'new normal'.

this is being manipulated into rhetorical use against obama. on examination, it is fairly unconvincing. but it warrants questioning as to what is planned for the recovery, not merely the stagnation, of the female labour force.