2012 U.S. Presidential Election

[Roy Karrde]

Find the five second sound byte where Romney actually explains how he'll actually create more jobs, and perhaps he'll do better.

That's what people want in regards to the economy. They don't want people casting the blame. Unless Romney, who claims to be a "job creator", can come up with a solution, he's gonna lose.

I am sure he has one, but if people want a job creator than Obama is truly screwed because all he has left is casting blame, he sure as hell does not have a record as a job creator.

[Dark Sage]

I am sure he has one, but if people want a job creator than Obama is truly screwed because all he has left is casting blame, he sure as hell does not have a record as a job creator.

I have yet to see him propose one.

[kurai]

he sure as hell does not have a record as a job creator

presumably we are talking about some data set which is not currently on this page



we see a jobs recovery in the majority of sectors, and stability in almost all of the rest

the entire point of this discussion is that the sole failing has been in the female side of the sales sector, and this is something which is a reflection of the earlier crisis (which can't be controlled beyond avoiding the crisis in the first place)

the fact that it is an earlier crisis is not something which people are confused about:



so campaigning on this issue opens two doors:

1) obama can talk about the positive metrics which do exist, rising out of a situation which most people think was not his fault

2) if women voters are a captive audience in favor of obama (this seems to be the case by a minimum of 7-10% presently), and people for some reason accept that this falling-sales-jobs metric is important, he can transition into a solution-oriented response

and!

the sales-sector-women whose jobs have already been affected are a part of the demographic which is currently polling widely in favor of obama. they did not need romney to point out to them that they lost their job. they were already aware of this and still favor obama regardless of their employment situation.

the economic issue is not a slam dunk for the republican party, and the primary weakness of obama which we find in the metrics is one which would already be reflected in the demographic breakdown of obama's negatives. but it is not, so this issue primarily serves as an opportunity for obama: it allows people to be reminded of the 2008 failure and the positive metrics of the current recovery.

[Dark Sage]

No response, Roy? Kurai just gave statistics that proved Romney's latest claim to be full of hot air, so where's your counter-argument?

[Roy Karrde]

the economic issue is not a slam dunk for the republican party, and the primary weakness of obama which we find in the metrics is one which would already be reflected in the demographic breakdown of obama's negatives. but it is not, so this issue primarily serves as an opportunity for obama: it allows people to be reminded of the 2008 failure and the positive metrics of the current recovery.

The thing is, you are talking about a anemic recovery, +0.9 percent overall in men, after three years, and over a trillion dollars spent. And after a drop off in his first year of -3.8 if Obama wishes to use that +0.9 percent in men as some kind of rally, that he has surpassed the failure of 2008, after 3 years, and after trillions of dollars spent. Please, be my guest. It is digging your own political grave.