2012 U.S. Presidential Election

[Dark Sage]

Roy, if you admit that Romney should have said something to that woman, I'll admit that Obama should have interrupted his speech to address the crowd.

Until then, I think that McCain showed poor maturity and let a big jerk get to him, compared to Obama, who is very good at keeping his cool around big jerks.

[Roy Karrde]

Roy, if you admit that Romney should have said something to that woman, I'll admit that Obama should have interrupted his speech to address the crowd.

Here is the thing, I believe both should have kept their mouth shut, by engaging the crowd on such a issue you elevate it. You are the one that has been applying different standards.

Until then, I think that McCain showed poor maturity and let a big jerk get to him, compared to Obama, who is very good at keeping his cool around big jerks.

For what? Calling the person a jerk? It was security that pushed him out and so far I have seen nothing that says McCain ordered them to take him out. Mind you the Secret Service does the same thing to idiots at Obama's event. Remember when they pounced on the person who called Obama the AntiChrist?

[Dark Sage]

That's their job, Roy.

And it was clear that the guy was not completely in his right mind.

[Roy Karrde]

That's their job, Roy.

And it was clear that the guy was not completely in his right mind.

So... it's their job to do it at a Obama rally, but at a McCain event, it is a sign that you made the right decision to vote for Obama in 2008?

[Dark Sage]

Okay Roy... Question:

After the Secret Service apprehended the guy who called him the Anti-Christ, did Mr. Obama call him names?

No, he didn't. He just went on as if it didn't happen.

At McCain's speech, after security apprehended this guy, who admittedly shouldn't have done what he did, McCain called him a jerk.

In other words, McCain sank to his level. In a way, that heckler got what he wanted from McCain, a reaction.

And it wasn't a good reaction! If Romney had addressed that woman and told her that what she had said was false, THAT would have been a good reaction, and I might have actually respected him a little for it. But calling someone a jerk is simply trying to use two wrongs to make a right.

[Roy Karrde]

Okay Roy... Question:

After the Secret Service apprehended the guy who called him the Anti-Christ, did Mr. Obama call him names?

No, he didn't. He just went on as if it didn't happen.

At McCain's speech, after security apprehended this guy, who admittedly shouldn't have done what he did, McCain called him a jerk.

In other words, McCain sank to his level. In a way, that heckler got what he wanted from McCain, a reaction.

And it wasn't a good reaction! If Romney had addressed that woman and told her that what she had said was false, THAT would have been a good reaction, and I might have actually respected him a little for it. But calling someone a jerk is simply trying to use two wrongs to make a right.

So let me get this straight, calling the man a Jerk, for bringing up a topic on a day meant to honored the dead, by accusing McCain and his father of covering up a tragic event in which sailors died. And that suddenly means he sunk to that level? No, sinking to his level would have been calling him a "Mother Fucker" and threatening to kick his ass after the event. Calling him a jerk was not only deserved, but about as mild as some one could get after what the guy said.

But dude that has to honestly be the most pathetic spin I have seen you give, and that honestly means something. Bravo.

[Dark Sage]

Oh, I give up, this is like arguing with...

Come to think of it, this is like arguing with a Republican, which I just realized is exactly what I'm doing.

[Dark Sage]

This is not related to the election (at least not this one) but it seems that the case against John Edwards has ultimately gone nowhere.

After spending a great deal of taxpayer dollars, of course.

Seems a lot like the Starr Report, don't you think? A witchhunt aimed at prosecuting an important Democrat, fueled by taxpayer dollars, which ultimately yeilded nothing.

Btw, I'm not saying that Edwards isn't a jerk, because he is. But being a jerk isn't a crime.

[Roy Karrde]

This is not related to the election (at least not this one) but it seems that the case against John Edwards has ultimately gone nowhere.

After spending a great deal of taxpayer dollars, of course.

Seems a lot like the Starr Report, don't you think? A witchhunt aimed at prosecuting an important Democrat, fueled by taxpayer dollars, which ultimately yeilded nothing.

Btw, I'm not saying that Edwards isn't a jerk, because he is. But being a jerk isn't a crime.

No but using political funds for private things, like say for keeping your wife from knowing about your mistress is illegal, and really he should have been found guilty.

That being said and in far larger news the economy took a massive hit today, it hasn't hit Obama's numbers too hard yet, but as has been said if next month is as bad as this one, then Romney is catapulted into the favorite to win the election.

[Dark Sage]

That being said and in far larger news the economy took a massive hit today, it hasn't hit Obama's numbers too hard yet, but as has been said if next month is as bad as this one, then Romney is catapulted into the favorite to win the election.

I look at it as a clear-cut case of the "job creators" (as the GOP loves to call the wealthy) not living up to that title, and giving them more reason not to deserve it.

[Roy Karrde]

I look at it as a clear-cut case of the "job creators" (as the GOP loves to call the wealthy) not living up to that title, and giving them more reason not to deserve it.

Actually they do deserve it, however they do not act in a vacuum, there are the forces in Greece that look to start off a new recession, there is high debt at home, and there is a President wanting to raise taxes and add in new regulations. That isn't exactly the perfect environment to invest.

[Dark Sage]

Roy, this is the way I see it...

If a man calls himself a butcher, but doesn't know how to cut meat, then I don't believe he's a butcher. If a man calls himself a baker, but can't make bread, then I don't believe he's a baker.

If a wealthy businessman calls himself a job creator but simply hordes the profits instead of creating jobs, they he simply is not a job creator. Period.

By the way, since you - and Romney - love bringing up Solyandra so much, get a load of this story that the Boston Herald just put out.

http://www.bostonherald.com/jobfind/...&position=also

[Dark Sage]

To give a comparison of how Obama and Romney would tax the rich, here's how their tax plans would affect themselves.

Under his own proposal, Mitt Romney would pay about half what he would under President Barack Obama's tax plan. So if he became President, he would save almost $5 million a year.

Obama isn't as rich as Romney, but he's still in the 1%, as they like to say. For Obama, losing re-election could actually provide him with a tax windfall. He'd save as much as $90,000 a year if Romney won and his plan were enacted rather than his own plan to tax the rich.

Makes you think, doesn't it?

[Dark Sage]

Speaking of the Wisconsin recall vote, I found this on a blog:

A Democratic state senator has asked Wisconsin election officials to investigate two cases of election fraud and voter suppression in the state.

Sen. Lena Taylor (D-Milwaukee) sent a letter to the state Government Accountability Board Tuesday saying that groups supporting Gov. Scott Walker (R) have been making calls in an attempt to reduce Tom Barrett's vote count in the state. In her letter, Taylor says that those who signed a recall petition have been receiving phone calls saying that they did not need to vote because "they have already accomplished their work." She also says that voters have been receiving calls from a Milwaukee-area number saying that the recall election is on Wednesday.

Taylor, the ranking Democrat on the Joint Finance Committee, has asked the GAB to start an investigation and potential prosecution of both cases. She also wrote that she will inform the GAB of other incidents that come up.

-- John Celock

You must be so proud to be in the GOP, Roy... Espescially since I remember this exact same thing happening during the 2008 elections AND the 2010 elections.