2012 U.S. Presidential Election

[Dark Sage]

You have to realize that the unions and Democrats are the ones who are losing here, their own candidate is not even talking about repealing the reforms because they are so popular!

Uh, Roy? Yes he did... He specifically said he would restore collective bargaining rights to unions.

[Roy Karrde]

Uh, Roy? Yes he did... He specifically said he would restore collective bargaining rights to unions.

I would suggest you look at this memo from Democrats to see proof that he is not talking about the reforms neither on the trail or in the debates.

"Graeme Zielinski, spokesman for the Wisconsin Democratic Party, said Democrats are focusing on the “larger political program of the assault on Wisconsin by Scott Walker and people who pay him.” Collective bargaining is just one part of that, he said, and “people’s minds are already made up” about the issue.

But Zielinski himself told the liberal Mother Jones magazine in April that “collective bargaining is not moving people.” A state Democratic strategy memo in May didn’t mention the issue in its key message points."

http://blogs.investors.com/capitalhi...s-recall-looms

The focus has been on jobs numbers and corruption, not on the reforms.

[Dark Sage]

Btw, I'd just like to clarify, I in no way think that Walker's chances of winning are bad. They're actually pretty good.

I mean, if anything, he's spent about eight times as much on this as any of his opponents.

Money talks, as they say... Especially in politics, and especially since that bat-shit crazy ruling that says that corporations are people (which I'll believe is true when OP's board of directors faces criminal charges for what happened).

But on the other hand, I still don't think him winning is going to hurt the Democrat's much overall.

[Roy Karrde]

Btw, I'd just like to clarify, I in no way think that Walker's chances of winning are bad. They're actually pretty good.

I mean, if anything, he's spent about eight times as much on this as any of his opponents.

Money talks, as they say... Especially in politics, and especially since that bat-shit crazy ruling that says that corporations are people (which I'll believe is true when OP's board of directors faces criminal charges for what happened).

Walker could have been outspent 100 to 1 and it still would not have mattered, the Democrats started off with a disadvantage the minute the reforms started to work, after that they were left struggling to find ways to attack Walker, and have ended up having to settle with lies and falsehoods.

But on the other hand, I still don't think him winning is going to hurt the Democrat's much overall.

So you don't think a Republican winning just a few months before the main election, in a state that Democrats have traditionally held nationally, and providing the cherry to a year of failed recall efforts, thus demoralizing unions and Democrats. Is not going to hurt Democrats overall?

[Dark Sage]

So you don't think a Republican winning just a few months before the main election, in a state that Democrats have traditionally held nationally, and providing the cherry to a year of failed recall efforts, thus demoralizing unions and Democrats. Is not going to hurt Democrats overall?

Roy... In case you didn't know... Walker already won.

And now people are trying to override the election results in a recall.

That alone says a lot. You think recalls happen all the time at this level of government?

The fact that an effort to force a recall vote even got this far can only help the Democrats.

[Roy Karrde]

Roy... In case you didn't know... Walker already won.

And now people are trying to override the election results in a recall.

That alone says a lot. You think recalls happen all the time at this level of government?

The fact that an effort to force a recall vote even got this far can only help the Democrats.

Really?

They tried to recall the State Senators, they failed to get a majority.

They tried to take over the Supreme Court, they failed.

They tried to recall the Governor, there is a good chance they will fail there.

Three attempts, three failures. Can you honestly tell me that failing horribly three times the Democrats will take some kind of moral victory in that they made it this far? That such a year of failure will not become a demoralizing effect that no matter how hard they try, no matter how much they push, no matter how much money they pour in. They just cannot win.

[Dark Sage]

On a related note... I heard an exit poll saying that Obama leads Romney by five points among Wisconsin recall voters. So maybe Wisconsin isn't ready to turn red quite yet.

Here's thi link, btw:

http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/_news...y-in-wisconsin

[Roy Karrde]

On a related note... I heard an exit poll saying that Obama leads Romney by five points among Wisconsin recall voters. So maybe Wisconsin isn't ready to turn red quite yet.

Here's thi link, btw:

http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/_news...y-in-wisconsin

Hey very true, it will be a push for Romney no doubt, but with demoralized Democrats ( Especially since Obama abandoned Wisconsin like a coward ), and Walker running with Romney, there is a pretty good chance Romney could squeak out a win.