2012 U.S. Presidential Election

[Roy Karrde]

Btw, I'd just like to clarify, I in no way think that Walker's chances of winning are bad. They're actually pretty good.

I mean, if anything, he's spent about eight times as much on this as any of his opponents.

Money talks, as they say... Especially in politics, and especially since that bat-shit crazy ruling that says that corporations are people (which I'll believe is true when OP's board of directors faces criminal charges for what happened).

Walker could have been outspent 100 to 1 and it still would not have mattered, the Democrats started off with a disadvantage the minute the reforms started to work, after that they were left struggling to find ways to attack Walker, and have ended up having to settle with lies and falsehoods.

But on the other hand, I still don't think him winning is going to hurt the Democrat's much overall.

So you don't think a Republican winning just a few months before the main election, in a state that Democrats have traditionally held nationally, and providing the cherry to a year of failed recall efforts, thus demoralizing unions and Democrats. Is not going to hurt Democrats overall?

[Dark Sage]

So you don't think a Republican winning just a few months before the main election, in a state that Democrats have traditionally held nationally, and providing the cherry to a year of failed recall efforts, thus demoralizing unions and Democrats. Is not going to hurt Democrats overall?

Roy... In case you didn't know... Walker already won.

And now people are trying to override the election results in a recall.

That alone says a lot. You think recalls happen all the time at this level of government?

The fact that an effort to force a recall vote even got this far can only help the Democrats.

[Roy Karrde]

Roy... In case you didn't know... Walker already won.

And now people are trying to override the election results in a recall.

That alone says a lot. You think recalls happen all the time at this level of government?

The fact that an effort to force a recall vote even got this far can only help the Democrats.

Really?

They tried to recall the State Senators, they failed to get a majority.

They tried to take over the Supreme Court, they failed.

They tried to recall the Governor, there is a good chance they will fail there.

Three attempts, three failures. Can you honestly tell me that failing horribly three times the Democrats will take some kind of moral victory in that they made it this far? That such a year of failure will not become a demoralizing effect that no matter how hard they try, no matter how much they push, no matter how much money they pour in. They just cannot win.

[Dark Sage]

On a related note... I heard an exit poll saying that Obama leads Romney by five points among Wisconsin recall voters. So maybe Wisconsin isn't ready to turn red quite yet.

Here's thi link, btw:

http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/_news...y-in-wisconsin

[Roy Karrde]

On a related note... I heard an exit poll saying that Obama leads Romney by five points among Wisconsin recall voters. So maybe Wisconsin isn't ready to turn red quite yet.

Here's thi link, btw:

http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/_news...y-in-wisconsin

Hey very true, it will be a push for Romney no doubt, but with demoralized Democrats ( Especially since Obama abandoned Wisconsin like a coward ), and Walker running with Romney, there is a pretty good chance Romney could squeak out a win.

[Dark Sage]

Here's a link with more complete data:

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_1...idential-race/

You're counting on Democrats being demoralized? It seems that party affiliations weren't really the issue here, if this is to be believed. More people disapprove of each party than those who approve of it.

[Roy Karrde]

You're counting on Democrats being demoralized? It seems that party affiliations weren't really the issue here, if this is to be believed. More people disapprove of each party than those who approve of it.

I expect that if Walker wins, it will be three major losses for Democrats in this state, and the view is going to start to set in with "We can't win", furthermore there is going to be some SERIOUS anger at Obama, who has done his best NOT to campaign in Wisconsin, even while staying in the adjourning states. Again, coward.

[Dark Sage]

I dunno, Roy...

As you saw in the article, almost all voters had their minds made up weeks ago. I doubt that their opinions are going to change much by the results.

And with Obama ahead by more than ten percentage points on the question of who would be better to help the middle class in a state where the majority is blue-collar workers...

Doesn't seem to me like they're angry at him.

As for why Obama didn't campaign there... Well, would it make much sense for Romney to do a lot of campaigning in Texas? Why would Obama do heavy campaigning in a predominantly blue state?

Edit: And by the way, don't forget... If Walker wins... He still has a possible inditment to worry about.