2012 U.S. Presidential Election

[Roy Karrde]

Say what you will, Roy, but Romney's insistance that it's a tax is not convincing anyone who wasn't opposed to the bill from the start. In fact, support for Obamacare has grown since the ruling.

And Romney's insistance that it's a tax while the fee imposed by his plan was a penalty is hurting him too. The Wall Street Journal today called him "dumb". (And that's a direct quote.)

Romney is not insisting it is a tax, he is saying and I quote: "Well, the Supreme Court has the final word. And their final word is that Obamacare is a tax. So it's a tax. They decided it was constitutional. So it is a tax and it's constitutional. That's the final word. That's what it is."

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-18563_16...date-position/

He is just noting that it is the Supreme Court's final word, to say it is not a tax goes against the very Supreme Court ruling that upheld it.

[Dark Sage]

Romney is not insisting it is a tax, he is saying and I quote: "Well, the Supreme Court has the final word. And their final word is that Obamacare is a tax. So it's a tax. They decided it was constitutional. So it is a tax and it's constitutional. That's the final word. That's what it is."

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-18563_16...date-position/

He is just noting that it is the Supreme Court's final word, to say it is not a tax goes against the very Supreme Court ruling that upheld it.

And despite being called a liar, Obama is insisting, as he did today, that if it is indeed a tax, he never gave his approval for it to be one.

I defy anyone to accuse that statement of being untruthful.

[Roy Karrde]

And despite being called a liar, Obama is insisting, as he did today, that if it is indeed a tax, he never gave his approval for it to be one.

I defy anyone to accuse that statement of being untruthful.

Then why did he not order his own lawyers to correct it when they insisted in front of the Supreme Court that it was a tax? Or in the brief they submitted to the Supreme Court?

http://washingtonexaminer.com/obama-...rticle/2501375

Either he is lying, or he is so incompitant that he did not know of his administration's own argument.

[Dark Sage]

Roy, stop posing your dumb links, because I don't read them. They always take me to conservative editorials.

[Roy Karrde]

Roy, stop posing your dumb links, because I don't read them. They always take me to conservative editorials.

Fine here is the Supreme Court Brief, I direct you to page 52 ( Page 69 in the PDF ).

http://www.justice.gov/osg/briefs/20...398.mer.aa.pdf

"“In passing on the constitutionality of a tax law,” a court is “concerned only with its practical operation, not its definition or the precise form of descriptive words which may be applied to it.” The practical operation of the minimum coverage provision is as a tax law. It is fully integrated into the tax system, will raise substantial revenue, and triggers only tax consequences for non-compliance…The Court has never held that a revenue-raising provision bearing so many indicia of taxation was beyond Congress’s taxing power, and it should not do so here."

Here is the audio of Obama's lawyer saying quite clearly "Pay the Tax"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HF9Emyb4ejI

Neither is a editorial, both come straight from the White House's lawyers.

[Blademaster]

incompitant

I'm just gonna call irony on that one.

[Dark Sage]

Call it a tax, call it a penalty, it's the same thing in the end if you don't obey the mandate.

No matter how you serve a turkey, it remains a turkey.

[Jeff]

I'm just gonna call irony on that one.

Heh, reminds me of another quote:

"I'll have you know that my spelling and grammar is impeccable."
-Serebii Joe

*ahem* and with that, I'll just let this get back on "topic"