2012 U.S. Presidential Election

[Roy Karrde]

There is ample proof that 750,000 voters will be disenfranchised.

And that proof is?

And no, not on your life.

Then where are your arguments?

Btw, Roy, I don't know if you know this, but even if you apply for a state-issued ID, it takes six weeks to get it.

Seeing how the law was passed a while back you would think people would have ample time to get one.

[Dark Sage]

And that proof is?

Why don't you read it here? It's all in black and white:

http://www.propublica.org/article/ev...-voter-id-laws

[Roy Karrde]

Why don't you read it here? It's all in black and white:

http://www.propublica.org/article/ev...-voter-id-laws

I see no where in that article that it states that 750,000 voters would be disenfranchised.

[Dark Sage]

I see no where in that article that it states that 750,000 voters would be disenfranchised.

Read it more closely:

State figures also can be hard to nail down. In Pennsylvania, nearly 760,000 registered voters, or 9.2 percent of the state's 8.2 million voter base, don't own state-issued ID cards, according to an analysis of state records by the Philadelphia Inquirer. State officials, on the other hand, place this number at between 80,000 and 90,000.

Guess I was off by 10,000, if the Philadelphia Inquirer is right.

[Roy Karrde]

Read it more closely:

Guess I was off by 10,000, if the Philadelphia Inquirer is right.

If they are going off by the Department of Transportation records, which it seems that they are, then that is a flawed method.

" The 750,000-voter figure, however, includes some cases where there are database-matching problems: for instance, a woman is listed by her married surname in one database and her maiden surname in another may be included on that list, even though she should have few problems voting. It includes some cases of voters whose registrations are inactive. And it includes voters who will have some valid form of ID other than that issued by the Department of Transportation, like a passport, which would still make them eligible to vote. "

http://fivethirtyeight.blogs.nytimes...fication-laws/

[Dark Sage]

Roy... The Commonwealth Court must prove that NO-ONE will be disenfranchised if they want to uphold the law.

Read the PA Supreme Court's ruling and face reality. They won't be able to do it.

[Roy Karrde]

Roy... The Commonwealth Court must prove that NO-ONE will be disenfranchised if they want to uphold the law.

Read the PA Supreme Court's ruling and face reality. They won't be able to do it.

And yet they should only need to prove they are providing every opportunity to allow people to get free IDs.