2012 U.S. Presidential Election

[Dark Sage]

Roy, keep one thing in mind...

Romney winning the election would not have prevented the bad news coming out of Europe.

If he had won, the crisis would have been his problem. And if it did indeed cause a new recession, we would have seen just how much his tax plan (which every analysist I've heard from says would not work) would have fixed it.

[Roy Karrde]

Roy, keep one thing in mind...

Romney winning the election would not have prevented the bad news coming out of Europe.

If he had won, the crisis would have been his problem. And if it did indeed cause a new recession, we would have seen just how much his tax plan (which every analysist I've heard from says would not work) would have fixed it.

I have no doubt it would be his problem, just like the 2008 Recession was Obama's problem. But part of Obama's victory was the misinformed belief the economy was doing better. The Media hanging on to reports like this showing it is not, is Journalistic Mal Practice at best, Naked Partisanship at worst.

[Heald]

The Media hanging on to reports like this showing it is not, is Journalistic Mal Practice at best, Naked Partisanship at worst.

Any proof that 'The Media' was holding onto this damning report in order to grant Obama victory?

Besides, this report is in direct contradiction with leading projections that, whilst growth will slow next year, the US will not enter recession and should pick up speed post 2014, this is including the fiscal cliff being taken into account. The fiscal cliff will largely lead to unemployment remaining static and I doubt unemployment will fall below 7% before Obama leaves office, but it shouldn't go any higher than 9% and definitely nowhere near 10% unless there are severe shocks to the system. A couple of economists making speculation isn't exactly revelatory, especially given the failure of any economist to make any consistent, useful predictions regarding the economy over the past decade.

Besides, even if it was true that 'The Media' was withholding a single economist's opinion for a few days until after the election to give Obama the victory, it would be small beer compared to a lot of the sensationalist stories that have appeared (mostly thanks to Fox) that later turned out to be either completely untrue or widely exaggerated throughout the last year. True journalistic malpractice is calling people like O'Reilly, Limbaugh and Hannity 'journalists' and their reporting 'news', especially after their disgusting comments in the aftermath, making generalisations about black, hispanic, women voters, calling all of the people who voted for Obama 'delusional', comparing Obama voters to domestic abuse victims. Fox News even went as far as saying Obama voters were shallow because they were only voting for him because of his response to Hurricane Sandy, without any justification for that comment.

[Roy Karrde]

Any proof that 'The Media' was holding onto this damning report in order to grant Obama victory?

Any reason a story that has largely been out there for months should wait until AFTER the election?

Fox News even went as far as saying Obama voters were shallow because they were only voting for him because of his response to Hurricane Sandy, without any justification for that comment.

"Exit polls by CBS News reveal that Superstorm Sandy, and President Obama’s response, was a crucial factor for two in five voters nationwide. This recognition comes despite the Obama campaign decision to downplay the growing crisis of climate disasters and to minimize the actions of the Obama administration to build climate resilience. With Obama and Romney neck-and-neck in the polls, the reality of climate disasters and the need for strong governmental response may turn out to be the deciding element of the 2012 election.

Twenty-six percent of those polled said Obama’s broadly praised response was an important factor, and 15 percent — about one in six voters — said it was the most important factor in their vote:"

http://thinkprogress.org/climate/201...ion/?mobile=nc

Pretty much the only time Think Progress and Fox News will agree

[Heald]

Any reason a story that has largely been out there for months should wait until AFTER the election?

Absence of evidence against is not evidence for. Also, as I said, this isn't a story, it's one economist's opinion, it's not evidence that the economy is going to crash next year.

"Exit polls by CBS News reveal that Superstorm Sandy, and President Obama’s response, was a crucial factor for two in five voters nationwide. This recognition comes despite the Obama campaign decision to downplay the growing crisis of climate disasters and to minimize the actions of the Obama administration to build climate resilience. With Obama and Romney neck-and-neck in the polls, the reality of climate disasters and the need for strong governmental response may turn out to be the deciding element of the 2012 election.

Twenty-six percent of those polled said Obama’s broadly praised response was an important factor, and 15 percent — about one in six voters — said it was the most important factor in their vote:"

http://thinkprogress.org/climate/201...ion/?mobile=nc

Pretty much the only time Think Progress and Fox News will agree

Again, Fox News said it was the only reason they voted for Obama, or at least a significant proportion of Obama voters, whereas the actual truth is that it was a significant factor in their decisions, and that's not even taking into account issues with polling the exit voters themselves. The fact that Fox News decided to label Obama voters as 'shallow' for this anyway is disgusting in itself.

[Roy Karrde]

Again, Fox News said it was the only reason they voted for Obama, or at least a significant proportion of Obama voters, whereas the actual truth is that it was a significant factor in their decisions, and that's not even taking into account issues with polling the exit voters themselves. The fact that Fox News decided to label Obama voters as 'shallow' for this anyway is disgusting in itself.

To be fair he said "Then we are the shallowest country in the history of man, one photo op of him walking over a 2x4 and suddenly he is handling the storm, which hasn't been handled well!"

[Dark Sage]

Oh, so now we're getting into the tired old "it's the media's fault" excuse?

Roy, politicians haven't used that line in decades.