False-flag attack? Syria to be invaded?

[Dark Sage]

...OK, good for him...?

I don't see how that changes anything I said about how government secrets are guarded by the same technology I play Team Fortress 2 with.

I'd say that's the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard, but I have heard a few things more ridiculous.

Such as...

The claim that Goldman Sachs runs the U.S. Treasury.

The claim that Baxter International has developed a bird-flu vaccine that kills people.

The claim that Representative Alcee Hastings and the House of Representatives are planning to build at least six labor camps for political prisoners.

The claim that Venezuelan President Hugo Chávez owns the software that runs American voting machines.

The claim that FactCheck is untrustworthy because of its links to the Annenberg Foundation.

All these are lesser-known conspiracy theories promoted by "birther queen" Orly Taitz, btw.

[Roy Karrde]

I'd say that's the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard, but I have heard a few things more ridiculous.

You... do know Private Military Contractor's email have been hacked before right?

http://www.zdnet.com/blog/btl/anonym...s-stolen/55494

[Dark Sage]

Roy, Blade was cliaming that the federal government was using the same technology to keep classified document secure that a freaking video game uses.

Frankly, I was being nice in my last post. I thought that the very idea - and the fact that he was serious about it - was the most absurd thing I have ever heard on this website.

[Roy Karrde]

Roy, Blade was cliaming that the federal government was using the same technology to keep classified document secure that a freaking video game uses.

Frankly, I was being nice in my last post. I thought that the very idea - and the fact that he was serious about it - was the most absurd thing I have ever heard on this website.

Okay... but these emails did not come from the Government so I do not see how that argument is relevant either way.

[Blademaster]

I'd say that's the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard, but

BUT IT'S TIME FOR... THE FACTS OF LIFE, HOSTED BY BLADEMASTER!

A local area network (LAN) is a computer network that interconnects computers in a limited area such as a home, school, computer laboratory, or office building using network media.[1] The defining characteristics of LANs, in contrast to wide area networks (WANs), include their usually higher data-transfer rates, smaller geographic area, and lack of a need for leased telecommunication lines.

Now why does that sound familiar...?

computers that have absolutely NO access to the web at all. Someone actually has to be IN the room with the computer to access them

Oh, THAT'S why! Well, you were right about universities and corporations using them... I wonder what else such a network can be used for...

Oh, looky here.

A Listen Server is a basic server running within a player's TF2 client. It can be easily created through selecting the Create Server button at the main menu. Other players can connect to the server, but the overhead of running a regular client on the same system will often strain the host player's hardware. These types of servers are best suited to LAN-based events.

Huh... I wonder if these kinds of servers are popular-Oh wait the biggest competitive TF2 players in the world use them. All the time.



I know I shouldn't begrudge an older person for not understanding computers - Lord knows I've struggled with them myself plenty of times to this day. But that doesn't change the facts. Government and corporate security systems use LAN's.

TF2 also uses LAN's.

Ergo, LAN's aren't some exotic new government supertech. They're common as rocks. This is not ridiculous, not is it up for debate. It is fact.

[Dark Sage]

Blade, you said you liked TV Tropes so much?

http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.ph...piracyTheories

See that? It's interesting reading. They list a LOT of conspiracy theories, and with most of them, explain why they are complete bullshit.

Why don't you read it? If nothing else, it's good for laughs when you read a page like this and realize how gullible some people are.

[Blademaster]

Blade, you said you liked TV Tropes so much?

I do, but do you know what I like more than TVTropes?

I like when, after I prove a man wrong, that man admits that he was wrong and apologizes for his mockery, as opposed to trying (and failing) to divert my attention to something that is only vicariously related to the topic at best.

[RedStarWarrior]

I do, but do you know what I like more than TVTropes?

I like when, after I prove a man wrong, that man admits that he was wrong and apologizes for his mockery, as opposed to trying (and failing) to divert my attention to something that is only vicariously related to the topic at best.

Spoken like a woman.

[Dark Sage]

I do, but do you know what I like more than TVTropes?

I like when, after I prove a man wrong, that man admits that he was wrong and apologizes for his mockery, as opposed to trying (and failing) to divert my attention to something that is only vicariously related to the topic at best.

I'm not wrong, Blade.

If the U.S. government really used the same security system that video games used, the Al-Qaida would have leveled all of New York City on 9-11, not just the Twin Towers.

And I'm gonna laugh in your face bad when this "big secret" that you've uncovered turns out to be false.

I mean, really, not even Fox News considers this worthy of reporting.

P.S. Btw, I know what LANs are and I know that video game networks use them, but none of your three sources say that the FBI or the CIA do so.

Here's the type of computer that organizations like that use: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Super_computer

It has its own server built in. Companies that use LANs don't even have mainframes, which is a type of computer one notch below a super computer. (You'll find mainframes in big corporations and banks.)

Companies like the type that run TF2... Just expensive versions of normal computers, really. Comparing them to the ones that the government has is like comparing the a comic book to Oliver Twist.

[Blademaster]

I'm not wrong, Blade.

If the U.S. government really used the same security system that video games used, the Al-Qaida would have leveled all of New York City on 9-11, not just the Twin Towers.

How is hacking anything even related to 9/11? Did al-Qaeda send in spies that infiltrated ATC and executed some sort of program that caused the planes to redirect their trajectory into the Towers? No, they sent a few guys with knives to manually take control of the planes and smacked them into the World Trade Center. 'Leveling all of New York City' in such a way is impossible: There aren't enough commercial planes in all of AMERICA to do that much damage, let alone be randomly flying around New York air space waiting to be commandeered.

And I'm gonna laugh in your face bad when this "big secret" that you've uncovered turns out to be false.

I mean, really, not even Fox News considers this worthy of reporting.

'Big secret?' I said in the first post of this thread - in the first LINE of that post, no less - that I found it on 4chan. It's about as 'secret' as your average new meme.


Case in point,
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Now, before you claim that none of these are reputable sources... don't. That was not the argument you claimed. The argument you claimed was essentially "Because Fox News isn't discussing this, it isn't worth discussing." That's a logical fallacy, just FYI.

P.S. Btw, I know what LANs are and I know that video game networks use them, but none of your three sources say that the FBI or the CIA do so.

The FBI and the CIA keep their information private. For obvious reasons. Most of their information is stored on 'classified' parts of the Internet like SIPRNet and the JWICS. And what do you know, LAN Administrators are needed for both networks.

Here's the type of computer that organizations like that use: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Super_computer

I Ctrl+F'ed the following words in that article:


"government"
Two results. Neither was the American government.

"department"
One result, and it's a mathematics department in India.

"corporation"
One result, for a now-defunct corporation that mad early supercomputers.

"organization"
One result, for Wikipedia itself ("Wikipedia® is a registered trademark of the Wikimedia Foundation, Inc., a non-profit organization.").


Also in that article is a list of what active supercomputers are used for:

2010s: Molecular Dynamics Simulation (Tianhe-1A)[76]

Not for government operations, or for corporate use. For calculating and simulating things a normal computer CAN'T.

You just shot your own argument in the face. Well-done.

It has its own server built in.

...I'd need to ask someone smart like Telume if this is technically correct or not, because by definition, EVERY computer "has its own server built in." I think you meant to say some other term like OS or maybe API...

Companies like that use LANs don't even have mainframes,

Too many words, or too few?

which is a type of computer one notch below a super computer. (You'll find mainframes in big corporations and banks.)

First thing you've said so far that's factual... But mainframes use LAN's too.

Companies like the type that run TF2... Just expensive versions of normal computers, really.

You just described pretty much every computer ever.

Comparing them to the ones that the government has is like comparing the a comic book to Oliver Twist.

...They're both books. They can both be 'hacked' by opening them and looking at the words inside of them. They can both be 'broken' by burning them or pouring water on them.

Your analogy is utterly irrelevant because this isn't a debate about quality VS. quantity. You're insinuating that a much BETTER computer than yours or mine is, for some reason, UNABLE to perform a very vital and basic computer process: CONNECTING TO OTHER COMPUTERS.

Sidenote: I've never read anything from the a comic book series... is it any good?

[Dark Sage]

You just shot your own argument in the face. Well-done.

Really? Read this:

http://www.informationweek.com/gover...ates/231903060

It says in black in white, in the first paragraph, that the federal government has five of the top ten most powerful supercomputers in the world under its management.

Not the MOST powerful one, mind you (that one's in Japan), but five of the top ten.

P.S. Can someone here tell Blade that the government's computer is hard to hack into? Frankly, I think he watches WAY too much television.

[Blademaster]

By the way, Blade, you posted links to PressTV, The Right Perspective, Land Destroyer Report, Before Its News, and Poitics.ie as "proof" that people were concerned about this.

Bull... shit. Why not the National Enquirer while you're at it? If there were something about this on CBS News' website, or the website for fot The New York Times then that would be proof. I'd even give this a second thought if it came up in BBC News. But not in websites like that.

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Now, before you claim that none of these are reputable sources... don't. That was not the argument you claimed. The argument you claimed was essentially "Because Fox News isn't discussing this, it isn't worth discussing." That's a logical fallacy, just FYI.

I'm starting to think you just skim my responses without actually reading them in their entirety.