Obama sucks.

[Roy Karrde]

Would Obama's policies attract so much bile if McCain presented them?

Yeah probably, remember McCain was never the darling of the Republican party, which earned him the maverick name. His work on Illegal Immigration reform, and the Party of 6 caused alot of hatred by Republicans for McCain. Now if you break it down to his policies, yeah alot of Obama's policies are just seen as too left by too many on the right to swallow it, especially after how the Bush years ended with all the bail outs.

Btw McCain wad a hot 20yo...

Pfft of course! Who wouldn't?!

[kazr]

Just going to repeat it in case it wasn't clear the first time: being able to see Russia from Alaska as governor of Alaska in no way shape or form qualifies Sarah Palin to have the foreign policy know how to be president regardless of what questionable things Russia pulls in its air space. There are things such as radar and telephone to communicate these sort of things so people don't have to camp out on a remote rock scoping out the ass hole wasteland of Russia. I don't even see what you're trying to argue here at this point, it's like you're just quoting my post and responding for the sake of smashing your keyboard and pounding out text in my direction. It was a terrible answer to an alright question, and that's it.

Sarah Palin is literally the worst and if she was elected to highest office it would just be George Bush 2 The Movie: Bush Harder.

But in other news, lets check this out:

The supreme court decided today that not allowing corporations (since they are legally ruled to be people, with individual rights) to have the limitless ability to make political campaign contributions is illegal.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...012102223.html

Lawfully and technically it makes sense... but now the question is: in 2012 who are you voting for, Pepsi or Coke?

[Andrew]

A refreshing winner?!

[Roy Karrde]

Just going to repeat it in case it wasn't clear the first time: being able to see Russia from Alaska as governor of Alaska in no way shape or form qualifies Sarah Palin to have the foreign policy know how to be president regardless of what questionable things Russia pulls in its air space. There are things such as radar and telephone to communicate these sort of things so people don't have to camp out on a remote rock scoping out the ass hole wasteland of Russia. I don't even see what you're trying to argue here at this point, it's like you're just quoting my post and responding for the sake of smashing your keyboard and pounding out text in my direction. It was a terrible answer to an alright question, and that's it.

* Shakes head * He just doesn't get it

Sarah Palin is literally the worst and if she was elected to highest office it would just be George Bush 2 The Movie: Bush Harder.

Why not, we are currently living in Jimmy Carter 2 The Movie: How much lower can you go Think Bush was bad, he was like a day at the spa compared to the 4 years of hell that was the Carter presidency.

Lawfully and technically it makes sense... but now the question is: in 2012 who are you voting for, Pepsi or Coke?

Pepsi all the way!

[kazr]

Comparing Obama and Carter.. saying Bush was better...?

I just... I dont even..

speechless.

[kazr]

WHERE'S THE BIRTH CERTIFICATE, OBAMA?

[Roy Karrde]

Comparing Obama and Carter.. saying Bush was better...?

I just... I dont even..

speechless.

Yeah because of course his Press Secretary wasn't in the back of the room telling him not to say the word. Of course the Secret Service wasn't busy re securing the building before the President moved, and most likely would have done anything to keep him in that room where he remained secure. Of course there hadn't been a unauthorized camera crew trying to gain access to Bush earlier in the day, thus spooking the Secret Service even more.

And seriously, Carter = Worst President and Ex President in Modern American History. The utter horrors the man put this nation through in 4 years its just insane.

[kazr]

And seriously, Carter = Worst President and Ex President in Modern American History. The utter horrors the man put this nation through in 4 years its just insane.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran_contra

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foreign..._Latin_America

Hope this helps!!

[kazr]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran_contra

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foreign..._Latin_America

Hope this helps!!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reaganomics

Welp,

[Roy Karrde]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran_contra

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foreign..._Latin_America

Hope this helps!!

You do realize you are making yourself look like a utter idiot right?

Lets look at the economic policies for a moment, the man who led to what became known as the Misery Index, and by the way had the highest marks on the misery index. The man who led this country to the point of the inflation rate being at 13.58%. The man who's Foreign Policy decisions help shake the Middle East so badly that we are still dealing with his decision today.

Seriously read up on Jimmy Carter

But if you want to engage in the stupidity of the pissing match on links

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran_Hostage_Crisis

[kazr]

You do realize you are making yourself look like a utter idiot right?

Lets look at the economic policies for a moment, the man who led to what became known as the Misery Index, and by the way had the highest marks on the misery index. The man who led this country to the point of the inflation rate being at 13.58%. The man who's Foreign Policy decisions help shake the Middle East so badly that we are still dealing with his decision today.

Seriously read up on Jimmy Carter

Jimmy Carter was an awful president, even though he had the best intentions. He gave away the fucking panama canal back to panama, which is 'good' but what kind of president does something that is that much against the interests of his country? A bad president.

But the worst president? I'd reserve that for maybe Jackson, Dubya, or Reagan.

And easy on the insulting, cock sucker. I've been pretty civil about this because I'm not a big dumb baby but it can turn the other way pretty fast

[Roy Karrde]

But the worst president? I'd reserve that for maybe Jackson, Dubya, or Reagan.

Notice I said Modern American History, there is a whole lot worse than Jimmy Carter in previous American History. But lets just compare Bush and Carter on the Misery Index. For Carter the height he reached on the Misery index, was 21.98, for Bush 11.47. And as for Reagan, gotta laugh, not only was he one of our best Presidents, but even Democrats have compared Obama to Reagan in so many ways. You would think if he was our Worst, that they would avoid such comparisons.

[kazr]

Notice I said Modern American History, there is a whole lot worse than Jimmy Carter in previous American History. But lets just compare Bush and Carter on the Misery Index. For Carter the height he reached on the Misery index, was 21.98, for Bush 11.47. And as for Reagan, gotta laugh, not only was he one of our best Presidents, but even Democrats have compared Obama to Reagan in so many ways. You would think if he was our Worst, that they would avoid such comparisons.

A president who funds a war that results in 50,000 deaths is not the greatest president, sorry.

[kazr]

A president who's economic theory is that if the obscenely wealthy are allowed to pay much much less in taxes will some how benefit the middle and lower classes is a bad president.

[Roy Karrde]

A president who funds a war that results in 50,000 deaths is not the greatest president, sorry.

So then I guess Lincoln, FDR, and many of our other war time Presidents are not the greatest either?

A president who's economic theory is that if the obscenely wealthy are allowed to pay much much less in taxes will some how benefit the middle and lower classes is a bad president.

Okay just to point out, there is a edit button, you might want to learn to use it. Second as for Reagan it should be noted that his economic theory helped dig us out of a economic hell hole created by, guess who: Jimmy Carter.

[kazr]

So then I guess Lincoln, FDR, and many of our other war time Presidents are not the greatest either?

Are you seriously comparing World War 2 and the Civil War to funding death squads in Latin America? Are you really?

Okay just to point out, there is a edit button, you might want to learn to use it. Second as for Reagan it should be noted that his economic theory helped dig us out of a economic hell hole created by, guess who: Jimmy Carter.

A president who's economic theory is that if the obscenely wealthy are allowed to pay much much less in taxes will some how benefit the middle and lower classes is a bad president.

Seriously, I don't see how this could possibly make sense to anybody unless they sleep on a mountain of cash every night. It's mind boggling.

[Roy Karrde]

Are you seriously comparing World War 2 and the Civil War to funding death squads in Latin America? Are you really?

I am using your statement against you, you provided no extra justification, just that he was a President that funded a war that led to X amount of deaths. If you are going to leave yourself wide open to such a thing, expect me to jump on it.

A president who's economic theory is that if the obscenely wealthy are allowed to pay much much less in taxes will some how benefit the middle and lower classes is a bad president.

And yet it brought us out of the hell hole that was the Carter Presidency, it brought America back to prosperity, and slowly lowered unemployment. Now it may not be a long sustaining economic policy, but the results in the end speak for themselves. Reagan helped us get out of the hell hole that Carter put us in.

[kazr]

I am using your statement against you, you provided no extra justification, just that he was a President that funded a war that led to X amount of deaths. If you are going to leave yourself wide open to such a thing, expect me to jump on it.

You compared WW2 and the Civil War to death squads lol. Excuse me for leaving my statement wide open and assuming you had a little decency and tact.

[Roy Karrde]

You compared WW2 and the Civil War to death squads lol. Excuse me for leaving my statement wide open and assuming you had a little decency and tact.

No, now if you had specified exactly what you were talking about I would have used a different response. Such as that any Presidency is going to have missteps in them, that does not how ever mean that Reagan was one of if not the greatest Modern American President. One held in such high esteem in our country that he draws comparisons from the Right and the Left with who ever is in office. Meanwhile Jimmy Carter is used more like a curse word, a bad memory, so horrible that Democrats can only hope that he disappears somewhere into private life eventually.

[kazr]

No, now if you had specified exactly what you were talking about I would have used a different response. Such as that any Presidency is going to have missteps in them, that does not how ever mean that Reagan was one of if not the greatest Modern American President. One held in such high esteem in our country that he draws comparisons from the Right and the Left with who ever is in office. Meanwhile Jimmy Carter is used more like a curse word, a bad memory, so horrible that Democrats can only hope that he disappears somewhere into private life eventually.

As long as Jimmy is building houses for the homeless he's alright in my book

Also, you compared World War 2 and our very own Civil War to funding death squads in Latin America. You did, holy moly my head is still reeling.

[Roy Karrde]

As long as Jimmy is building houses for the homeless he's alright in my book

He also has a book out that is so bad it has been endorsed by Osama Bin Laden.

[kazr]

He also has a book out that is so bad it has been endorsed by Osama Bin Laden.

So what, Osama bin Laden endorses growing out a beard. Doesn't mean everyone should shave theirs off.

I'm pretty sure Jimmy's message is "yo lets be good to each other, stop fighting pointless wars over ideology & resources, share a little bit more, and we can all get along much better on this earth"

i dunno sounds like a good deal to me.

[Roy Karrde]

So what, Osama bin Laden endorses growing out a beard. Doesn't mean everyone should shave theirs off.

I'm pretty sure Jimmy's message is "yo lets be good to each other, stop fighting pointless wars over ideology & resources, share a little bit more, and we can all get along much better on this earth"

i dunno sounds like a good deal to me.

Yeah again you show your lack of knowledge. His book was a very one sided, very hateful book about the Israelis. Osama Bin Laden thus used it as a recruiting tool to drive more people and most likely suicide bombers to his side by pointing out how muslims should read Jimmy Carter's book.

Anyway I am out of debating, I had fun with Heald, but this is just mindless right now and I have much better things to be doing.

[Master Rudy]

Wow......this isn't a debate. It's the Roy and Kazr Show!
BTW Kazr you totally ignored my challenge to name something that Obama has done to promote change/help this country. Man up......you can't do it can you?
In regards to the way Obama's presidency is going so far remember this folks: you can polish a turd all you want but in the end it's still a piece of shit......

[shazza]

You racist cunt.

[kazr]

Yeah again you show your lack of knowledge. His book was a very one sided, very hateful book about the Israelis. Osama Bin Laden thus used it as a recruiting tool to drive more people and most likely suicide bombers to his side by pointing out how muslims should read Jimmy Carter's book.

Anyway I am out of debating, I had fun with Heald, but this is just mindless right now and I have much better things to be doing.

Backing down? *flex* I would stop having fun when faced with undeniable facts also.

jk, it was fun. A formidable opponent.

But I have to add: Israel is an apartheid state and it's pretty easy to draw direct parallels between what happened to the Jews during Nazi Germany and what is happening now to Palestinians. Although they aren't being forced into camps and into gas chambers they are living in shit hole ghettos, with very little outside aid, ancient decaying infrastructure, and it is one of the biggest atrocities currently happening in the world. It can be said that both sides are wrong in this, but Israel holds all the cards and needs to be the bigger man to offer real lasting peace for all Israelis and Palestinians in this horrible conflict, and sadly I'm predicting this will never happen.

Rudy, I'm not defending Obama here. He's going to be a mediocre at best president, and will most likely be shit all over for the state of the economy, the massive deficit, and the (possibly unwinnable) war in Afghanistan in the history books. Like I said in my first post in this thread: welcome to the new president, same as the old president.

But you want something positive he's done? Reached his hand out to the gay community and makes dialogue that they aren't some alienated underclass that should be shit all over because EW GAY PEOPLE. Kind of refreshing to see in a politician.

That of course is only if you aren't a giant bigot who gets his panties in a knot over who people fall in love with, or choose to be sexual with.

Give me a list of shit Obamas gotten wrong in his first year as president.

[MeLoVeGhOsTs]

There's to much personal bitching in this thread, and not much listening to eachother.

[Master Rudy]

You racist cunt.

Oh pipe down! I always love how if someone talks bad about poor Obama then they are suddenly a racist. When are you people going to learn that what some of us say has nothing to do with what fucking color his skin is? I'd be saying the same shit if the son of a bitch was white.

Kazr I'm a big enough man to admit when I'm wrong. With all the activity this post is seeing I honestly missed the part where you originally said you weren't defending Obama. I will however disagree with you on the point of trying to compare Obama to Bush. You'll have to forgive the expression but that's like trying to compare night and day. Regardless of your stance and opinion on Bush I think that even you'd have to admit that the two of them are about as different as they come. Therefore to say that the new president is the same as the old is foolish.

So Obama reached out to the gay community? Ok fine......despite most of my views and the fact that I'm a Republican I've got no problem with gays. It's one of the few things I disagree with my own party on since the majority of them can't seem to stand the thought of gay marriage. I say let them have it. If it's not hurting you then do you honestly give a fuck?

With that being said however I will tell you why Obama reached out to them: it'll get him potential votes in 2012 and help his image. It's still my firm belief that Obama is more of a celebrity than a president. As a result his public image is going to come first. As for anything related to politics it's extremely rare but the guy does occassionally get pissy and turn into an arrogant prick when things don't go his way. I'm sure some of you will question if that's true or not so I'll leave that one to Roy since he's much better at uncovering things than I am.

[Heald]

I'm not sure if I can tolerate this thread any longer. I mean I didn't expect a thread with such a base title such as 'Obama sucks' to attract too many intelligent replies, but I at least expected better. Well, sort it or shut it.

[Blademaster]

Blade, I don't know if you are serious or not .

Very serious.

[kazr]

With that being said however I will tell you why Obama reached out to them: it'll get him potential votes in 2012 and help his image. It's still my firm belief that Obama is more of a celebrity than a president. As a result his public image is going to come first. As for anything related to politics it's extremely rare but the guy does occassionally get pissy and turn into an arrogant prick when things don't go his way. I'm sure some of you will question if that's true or not so I'll leave that one to Roy since he's much better at uncovering things than I am.

Obama is just another politician pandering to who he can to win votes, I agree.

Sorry this thread turned into the Roy v Kazr bitch fest

[firepokemon]

I'm not sure if I can tolerate this thread any longer. I mean I didn't expect a thread with such a base title such as 'Obama sucks' to attract too many intelligent replies, but I at least expected better. Well, sort it or shut it.

I didn't expect it to get 10 replies, LOL.

[Heald]

With that being said however I will tell you why Obama reached out to them: it'll get him potential votes in 2012 and help his image.

You could be less cynical about this. Perhaps, maybe perhaps, that he genuinely believes that same sex couples have a right to be recognised as civil unions and have the same fundamental rights as heterosexual married couples. There's also the fact he's been pro-gay rights since at least 1996 (when homosexuality was a far bigger taboo than it is today); are you saying he was planning his 2012 campaign as far back as 1996?

And it's as much a vote loser as a vote winner. For every gay person who would vote Democrat purely because they would recognise civil unions, there is a fundamentalist who will vote Republican because Obama is pro-gay rights. There are still a lot of fundamentalists within the Democrats who they are desperately trying to cling onto, and since gay rights seems to be a state rather than a federal issue at the moment, not only does Obama face losing votes over his pro-gay rights stance, he may also lose votes over the issue of big government interfering in state issues.

Either way, I don't believe any one politician is going to change the face of gay rights, and I don't think there will be a gay Martin Luther King. It's just a matter that most of the electorate are older types who still hold bigoted opinions towards homosexuality. Most people I know in my generation are not opposed to homosexuality and I'd hope we don't become as bigoted as the anti-homosexual agenda when we become the main generation. Just like gender, race, colour and class before them, sexual preference is just a convenient scapegoat for idiots to blame society's hang-ups on.

[Clark]

for everyone: i skipped everything.

for fp: when your country's gdp is in the top 10, you can post new topics. go back to playing with your sheep

[kazr]

for everyone: i skipped everything.

for fp: when your country's gdp is in the top 10, you can post new topics. go back to playing with your sheep

unnnnngh nfffffffffffffgruntfffffff unnngh*plop*

oh hey look a post

[Houndoom_Lover]

Huckabee4eva X3

[Jeff]

Zombie McCain in 2020.

[Blademaster]

Was that post supposed to be blank...?

[Heald]

How convenient, my image hoster goes down the same day I use it for the first time in 6 months.

[mr_pikachu]

Last-ditch attempt to get the thread back on track...

Obama's State of the Union: How did he do?

Read/watch and discuss.