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    Quote Originally Posted by Dark Sage View Post
    I look at it as a clear-cut case of the "job creators" (as the GOP loves to call the wealthy) not living up to that title, and giving them more reason not to deserve it.
    Actually they do deserve it, however they do not act in a vacuum, there are the forces in Greece that look to start off a new recession, there is high debt at home, and there is a President wanting to raise taxes and add in new regulations. That isn't exactly the perfect environment to invest.

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    Roy, this is the way I see it...

    If a man calls himself a butcher, but doesn't know how to cut meat, then I don't believe he's a butcher. If a man calls himself a baker, but can't make bread, then I don't believe he's a baker.

    If a wealthy businessman calls himself a job creator but simply hordes the profits instead of creating jobs, they he simply is not a job creator. Period.

    By the way, since you - and Romney - love bringing up Solyandra so much, get a load of this story that the Boston Herald just put out.

    http://www.bostonherald.com/jobfind/...&position=also

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dark Sage View Post
    Roy, this is the way I see it...

    If a man calls himself a butcher, but doesn't know how to cut meat, then I don't believe he's a butcher. If a man calls himself a baker, but can't make bread, then I don't believe he's a baker.

    If a wealthy businessman calls himself a job creator but simply hordes the profits instead of creating jobs, they he simply is not a job creator. Period.
    So because the wealthy businessmen are looking at the environment and not being reckless with their money, suddenly that negates all the jobs they have been responsible in the past and for the future?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dark Sage View Post
    By the way, since you - and Romney - love bringing up Solyandra so much, get a load of this story that the Boston Herald just put out.

    http://www.bostonherald.com/jobfind/...&position=also
    So... Romney gives 1.5 Million in state funds to Lowell in 2003, and it stays open for 9 years after the loan.

    Obama gives 536 million in federal funds to Solyndra in 2009, and it stays open for only 2 years after the loan

    ...

    yeah

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    It may not be as much of a failure as Solyandra was, true. But it's still an embarrassment for someone who just a few hours earlier made a speech in front of the Solyandra building in order to emphasize how the whole deal reflected Obama's inability to govern.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dark Sage View Post
    It may not be as much of a failure as Solyandra was, true. But it's still an embarrassment for someone who just a few hours earlier made a speech in front of the Solyandra building in order to emphasize how the whole deal reflected Obama's inability to govern.
    Except Solyndra is a example of Obama's inability to govern, they gave over a half a billion dollars to a company that had already been written off by the Bush Administration as a failure. And you know what? The Bush Administration was right! It was a failure! Here it is a company that lasted nine years after the loan and most of the way through a terrible economy, and the bottom of the solar industry falling out.

    To put it simply, it is like getting the chance to invest in Blockbuster in 2003 or investing in Blockbuster in 2011, you cannot foresee the future of Netflix and Redbox back then, but in 2011 you can see the future of Blockbuster and see it is a poor investment.

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    I'm not saying that it's the same thing from a financial standpoint. Clearly, Solyandra was a much bigger deal.

    However, due to the fact that this was also a company with the same goals as Solyandra that got a state loan from Romney when he was governor which has now failed... From a symbolic standpoint, this makes Romney look bad.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dark Sage View Post
    I'm not saying that it's the same thing from a financial standpoint. Clearly, Solyandra was a much bigger deal.

    However, due to the fact that this was also a company with the same goals as Solyandra that got a state loan from Romney when he was governor which has now failed... From a symbolic standpoint, this makes Romney look bad.
    Not really, as you compare the numbers of the loan, compare the dates, and compare what went into the company getting the loans and you find they were two far different things. Besides which Democrat will actually be stupid enough to use it against Romney? By trying to use it, it just reinforces Solyndra in voters minds.

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    To give a comparison of how Obama and Romney would tax the rich, here's how their tax plans would affect themselves.

    Under his own proposal, Mitt Romney would pay about half what he would under President Barack Obama's tax plan. So if he became President, he would save almost $5 million a year.

    Obama isn't as rich as Romney, but he's still in the 1%, as they like to say. For Obama, losing re-election could actually provide him with a tax windfall. He'd save as much as $90,000 a year if Romney won and his plan were enacted rather than his own plan to tax the rich.

    Makes you think, doesn't it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dark Sage View Post
    To give a comparison of how Obama and Romney would tax the rich, here's how their tax plans would affect themselves.

    Under his own proposal, Mitt Romney would pay about half what he would under President Barack Obama's tax plan. So if he became President, he would save almost $5 million a year.

    Obama isn't as rich as Romney, but he's still in the 1%, as they like to say. For Obama, losing re-election could actually provide him with a tax windfall. He'd save as much as $90,000 a year if Romney won and his plan were enacted rather than his own plan to tax the rich.

    Makes you think, doesn't it?
    Yeah makes you wonder if that is why Obama is doing such a shitty job running his campaign right now.

    By the way the Wisconsin recall is tomorrow, inTrade has the chance of Walker winning at nearly 95%. If he does win, it brings a very big chance that Republicans can take Wisconsin!

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    Speaking of the Wisconsin recall vote, I found this on a blog:

    A Democratic state senator has asked Wisconsin election officials to investigate two cases of election fraud and voter suppression in the state.

    Sen. Lena Taylor (D-Milwaukee) sent a letter to the state Government Accountability Board Tuesday saying that groups supporting Gov. Scott Walker (R) have been making calls in an attempt to reduce Tom Barrett's vote count in the state. In her letter, Taylor says that those who signed a recall petition have been receiving phone calls saying that they did not need to vote because "they have already accomplished their work." She also says that voters have been receiving calls from a Milwaukee-area number saying that the recall election is on Wednesday.

    Taylor, the ranking Democrat on the Joint Finance Committee, has asked the GAB to start an investigation and potential prosecution of both cases. She also wrote that she will inform the GAB of other incidents that come up.

    -- John Celock

    You must be so proud to be in the GOP, Roy... Espescially since I remember this exact same thing happening during the 2008 elections AND the 2010 elections.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dark Sage View Post
    You must be so proud to be in the GOP, Roy... Espescially since I remember this exact same thing happening during the 2008 elections AND the 2010 elections.
    Dude both sides have been playing dirty here, or have you not heard about this.

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    Jane Boutan thought it was an invasion of privacy.

    Corrine Greuling worried about her safety.

    Viola Miller wondered if it could be used to steal her vote.

    They and others got upset after the Greater Wisconsin Political Fund mailed fliers over the weekend listing people's names, addresses and whether they voted in the November 2008 and 2010 elections, as well as the same information for a dozen of their neighbors.

    "What am I supposed to do? Go shame my neighbor? Whether my neighbor voted or not is none of my business," said Boutan, who lives in Milwaukee's Sherman Park neighborhood.

    The fliers arrived in mailboxes over the weekend. The Greater Wisconsin Political Fund, which is affiliated with the Greater Wisconsin Committee, is a liberal group that has run ads against Republican Gov. Scott Walker to help Milwaukee Mayor Tom Barrett in Tuesday's recall election. The group did not respond to voicemail and email messages Monday afternoon, so the scope and cost of the effort was not known. But the Journal Sentinel heard from people across the metro area, from Oak Creek to Glendale, and Waukesha to Wauwatosa.

    Addressed to registered voters, the fliers say: "Who votes is public record! Why do so many people fail to vote? We've been talking about the problem for years, but it only seems to get worse. This year, we're taking a new approach. We're sending this mailing to you and your neighbors to publicize who does and does not vote."

    Another version of the flier reads: "Scott Walker won in 2010 because too many people stayed home! Two years ago, more than half a million Wisconsinites who supported Obama failed to vote in the 2010 election. And that's how Governor Scott Walker got elected. This year, we're taking a new approach. We're sending this mailing to you and your neighbors to publicize who does and does not vote."

    This version of the flier encouraged people to call or knock on their neighbors' doors to ask them to vote on Tuesday.

    Before listing names, addresses and the voting history of the flier recipient and a dozen of their neighbors, the mailing warns that after Tuesday's election "public records will tell everyone who voted and who didn't. Do your civic duty - vote."

    Greuling, who voted absentee in Tuesday's election, said she fears for her safety because the information on the fliers could be used by criminals and identity thieves.

    "I think this is invasion of my privacy and every other woman's privacy. It's like - here, this is where all the women are" in her neighborhood, said Greuling.

    Miller was upset that her flier mentioned the 2008 presidential election because she felt it implied she voted for President Barack Obama - which she said was incorrect - and she didn't appreciate her name and address being used without her permission.

    Records of who voted and when are public in Wisconsin. The flier notes that the voting information came from the Government Accountability Board, which runs state elections.
    Board receives complaints

    The GAB has gotten a large number of complaints from around the state in the last few days about the direct-mail flier, which it points out did not come from the board. Kevin Kennedy, the state's chief election official, said this is the first time that a group has used voter lists in this way.

    Kennedy noted that voter records have been public for decades, ever since they were kept in handwritten books in the offices of municipal clerks. Statewide voter registration records have been digital since 2006.

    In the past, the Journal Sentinel has encountered problems with the Government Accountability Board's voter database, which has on occasion listed an individual as not voting in a particular election when local records indicated the person did.

    State law requires the GAB to sell some information in the statewide voter registration system, though personal details such as birth dates, driver's license numbers or the last four digits of Social Security numbers are never sold. The cost to buy a statewide voter registration list is $12,500, and it's common for political committees and interest groups to purchase lists to send direct mail and absentee ballot applications. Candidates and political groups also use the lists to prepare walking routes for door-to-door canvassers.

    Boutan, Miller and Greuling all said they understand that voting records are public, but they were angry that the Greater Wisconsin Political Fund went to great lengths to spread their information to their neighbors.

    Plus Miller, who lives in Waukesha, is now worried that since she's already a registered voter and will not be required to show her ID to vote on Tuesday, someone could use her name and address to vote.

    "Anybody can go and vote with my name, and there's my vote stolen for somebody I might not have voted for," said Miller. "It wasn't even in an envelope. It's got my name and address on one side of a piece of paper open to everybody."
    http://www.jsonline.com/news/statepo...157049485.html

    And unlike the hearsay in your blog, the proof is already here.

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    Well, Roy, if Walker winning in 2010 was indeed because of too many people staying home, that clearly is NOT the case this year. They're seeing about 85% voter turnout today, according to several sources.

    And if that is a sign on how it will be in November, Romney is in BIG trouble.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dark Sage View Post
    Well, Roy, if Walker winning in 2010 was indeed because of too many people staying home, that clearly is NOT the case this year. They're seeing about 85% voter turnout today, according to several sources.

    And if that is a sign on how it will be in November, Romney is in BIG trouble.
    How so? Right now Walker has the support in Wisconsin, if he wins here, he can use that popularity to support Romney. Not to mention if Walker wins here it will depress Union workers and Democrats while creating support for Republicans and Independents.

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    You're presuming that Walker's going to win too early, Roy.

    I think that the 95% chance you quoted may not be very accurate.

    Remember Ohio's Issue 2? When it was up for a recall vote, the poll showed a dead heat. It was overturned in a landslide.

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    He very well could lose tonight, all we have to go right now is polls and evidence from the turn out in the primaries. And of that there seems to be one constant: Walker wins.

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    Fine Roy, show me the facts that inTrade is using to support such overwhelming (and ridiculous) odds in Walker's favor, and I'll clam up.

    Honestly, I wouldn't have even given Obama odds that high in 2008.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dark Sage View Post
    Fine Roy, show me the facts that inTrade is using to support such overwhelming (and ridiculous) odds in Walker's favor, and I'll clam up.

    Honestly, I wouldn't have even given Obama odds that high in 2008.
    inTrade is a predictions market made on buying or selling actual money on election chances. The number comes from people putting stake in the chances some one will win or lose, think of it as a political stock market. The reason people are putting so much stock in Walker right now is from the polling and from other factors, but I would guess mainly the polling.



    By the way just a few riffs from Iowahawk on twitter.

    BREAKING: #wiunion says road construction on I-94 suppressing voter buses from Chicago

    Great moments in WI election integrity http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/12498215.../#.T85frLXNl6J

    If you don't think #wiunion is ready & willing to engage in vote fraud, I have a couple of doctor excuse slips for sale.



    Also it should be noted that what you posted earlier not only has not been confirmed, but the Democratic party is trying to fund raise off of it, so its starting to sound like a sleezy last minute money grab by them.

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    By the way, Roy, one thing you fail to understand is, even if Walker wins, this does not help the GOP. If he loses, it will help the Democrats, but this isn't wonderful news for the GOP either way. Simply having to defend his seat in a recall election is a big humilation for anyone. Walker is the only the third U.S. Governor in history to have to do it.

    "I was able to win a recall election and keep my office." Not exactly a statement to be proud of, you must admit. A good politician would have avoided this entirely.

    Edit: The link you posted was a story about two people who were sentenced for vandalism. I do not condone such things.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dark Sage View Post
    By the way, Roy, one thing you fail to understand is, even if Walker wins, this does not help the GOP. If he loses, it will help the Democrats, but this isn't wonderful news for the GOP either way. Simply having to defend his seat in a recall election is a big humilation for anyone. Walker is the only the third U.S. Governor in history to have to do it.

    "I was able to win a recall election and keep my office." Not exactly a statement to be proud of, you must admit. A good politician would have avoided this entirely.
    Actually it is a win for the GOP either way, as what brought on this election, Walker's reforms, are shown to not only work, but also be increasingly popular. You have to realize that the unions and Democrats are the ones who are losing here, their own candidate is not even talking about repealing the reforms because they are so popular! Furthermore it has demoralized Democrats and Unions, made them spend millions of dollars, and made them look like whiny brats.

    In the end the only one hurting here is the Democratic party for taking opposition to a popular reform to the point of insanity, and because of that it is hurting them with voters as well while galvanizing the GOP.

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    You have to realize that the unions and Democrats are the ones who are losing here, their own candidate is not even talking about repealing the reforms because they are so popular!
    Uh, Roy? Yes he did... He specifically said he would restore collective bargaining rights to unions.

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    Uh, Roy? Yes he did... He specifically said he would restore collective bargaining rights to unions.
    I would suggest you look at this memo from Democrats to see proof that he is not talking about the reforms neither on the trail or in the debates.

    "Graeme Zielinski, spokesman for the Wisconsin Democratic Party, said Democrats are focusing on the “larger political program of the assault on Wisconsin by Scott Walker and people who pay him.” Collective bargaining is just one part of that, he said, and “people’s minds are already made up” about the issue.

    But Zielinski himself told the liberal Mother Jones magazine in April that “collective bargaining is not moving people.” A state Democratic strategy memo in May didn’t mention the issue in its key message points."

    http://blogs.investors.com/capitalhi...s-recall-looms

    The focus has been on jobs numbers and corruption, not on the reforms.

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    Btw, I'd just like to clarify, I in no way think that Walker's chances of winning are bad. They're actually pretty good.

    I mean, if anything, he's spent about eight times as much on this as any of his opponents.

    Money talks, as they say... Especially in politics, and especially since that bat-shit crazy ruling that says that corporations are people (which I'll believe is true when OP's board of directors faces criminal charges for what happened).

    But on the other hand, I still don't think him winning is going to hurt the Democrat's much overall.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dark Sage View Post
    Btw, I'd just like to clarify, I in no way think that Walker's chances of winning are bad. They're actually pretty good.

    I mean, if anything, he's spent about eight times as much on this as any of his opponents.

    Money talks, as they say... Especially in politics, and especially since that bat-shit crazy ruling that says that corporations are people (which I'll believe is true when OP's board of directors faces criminal charges for what happened).
    Walker could have been outspent 100 to 1 and it still would not have mattered, the Democrats started off with a disadvantage the minute the reforms started to work, after that they were left struggling to find ways to attack Walker, and have ended up having to settle with lies and falsehoods.

    Quote Originally Posted by Dark Sage View Post
    But on the other hand, I still don't think him winning is going to hurt the Democrat's much overall.
    So you don't think a Republican winning just a few months before the main election, in a state that Democrats have traditionally held nationally, and providing the cherry to a year of failed recall efforts, thus demoralizing unions and Democrats. Is not going to hurt Democrats overall?

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    So you don't think a Republican winning just a few months before the main election, in a state that Democrats have traditionally held nationally, and providing the cherry to a year of failed recall efforts, thus demoralizing unions and Democrats. Is not going to hurt Democrats overall?
    Roy... In case you didn't know... Walker already won.

    And now people are trying to override the election results in a recall.

    That alone says a lot. You think recalls happen all the time at this level of government?

    The fact that an effort to force a recall vote even got this far can only help the Democrats.

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    Roy... In case you didn't know... Walker already won.

    And now people are trying to override the election results in a recall.

    That alone says a lot. You think recalls happen all the time at this level of government?

    The fact that an effort to force a recall vote even got this far can only help the Democrats.
    Really?

    They tried to recall the State Senators, they failed to get a majority.

    They tried to take over the Supreme Court, they failed.

    They tried to recall the Governor, there is a good chance they will fail there.

    Three attempts, three failures. Can you honestly tell me that failing horribly three times the Democrats will take some kind of moral victory in that they made it this far? That such a year of failure will not become a demoralizing effect that no matter how hard they try, no matter how much they push, no matter how much money they pour in. They just cannot win.

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    On a related note... I heard an exit poll saying that Obama leads Romney by five points among Wisconsin recall voters. So maybe Wisconsin isn't ready to turn red quite yet.

    Here's thi link, btw:

    http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/_news...y-in-wisconsin
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dark Sage View Post
    On a related note... I heard an exit poll saying that Obama leads Romney by five points among Wisconsin recall voters. So maybe Wisconsin isn't ready to turn red quite yet.

    Here's thi link, btw:

    http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/_news...y-in-wisconsin
    Hey very true, it will be a push for Romney no doubt, but with demoralized Democrats ( Especially since Obama abandoned Wisconsin like a coward ), and Walker running with Romney, there is a pretty good chance Romney could squeak out a win.

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    Here's a link with more complete data:

    http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_1...idential-race/

    You're counting on Democrats being demoralized? It seems that party affiliations weren't really the issue here, if this is to be believed. More people disapprove of each party than those who approve of it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dark Sage View Post
    You're counting on Democrats being demoralized? It seems that party affiliations weren't really the issue here, if this is to be believed. More people disapprove of each party than those who approve of it.
    I expect that if Walker wins, it will be three major losses for Democrats in this state, and the view is going to start to set in with "We can't win", furthermore there is going to be some SERIOUS anger at Obama, who has done his best NOT to campaign in Wisconsin, even while staying in the adjourning states. Again, coward.

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    I dunno, Roy...

    As you saw in the article, almost all voters had their minds made up weeks ago. I doubt that their opinions are going to change much by the results.

    And with Obama ahead by more than ten percentage points on the question of who would be better to help the middle class in a state where the majority is blue-collar workers...

    Doesn't seem to me like they're angry at him.

    As for why Obama didn't campaign there... Well, would it make much sense for Romney to do a lot of campaigning in Texas? Why would Obama do heavy campaigning in a predominantly blue state?

    Edit: And by the way, don't forget... If Walker wins... He still has a possible inditment to worry about.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dark Sage View Post
    I dunno, Roy...

    As you saw in the article, almost all voters had their minds made up weeks ago. I doubt that their opinions are going to change much by the results.

    And with Obama ahead by more than ten percentage points on the question of who would be better to help the middle class in a state where the majority is blue-collar workers...

    Doesn't seem to me like they're angry at him.
    There is a difference between making up your mind, and a GOTV effort, having lost three elections in a row, how many Democrats are really want to go and support and work for another one, especially for a guy that didn't help them?

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    As for why Obama didn't campaign there... Well, would it make much sense for Romney to do a lot of campaigning in Texas? Why would Obama do heavy campaigning in a predominantly blue state?
    A: Romney was in Fort Worth Texas today.
    B: I am not talking about campaigning for him, I am talking about campaigning for Barrett, this is the President who vowed to walk Union Strike Lines, to be a friend of Unions, but when the Unions need him for a GOTV effort, he is no where to be seen.

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    Edit: And by the way, don't forget... If Walker wins... He still has a possible inditment to worry about.
    And the chances of that actually going far.... yeah I didn't think so.

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    That does it, it is no use debating with you.

    Even with the statistics right in front of you, you try to debunk them.

    Heck, you wouldn't admit that the attempt to blame rising gas prices on the President had failed until the fifth straight week of them going down, and even then you said that it was because of the bad economy, and he would be blamed for that.

    I'm not coming to this thread any more Roy, because I am firmly convinced that only thing that will get you to admit that Obama has a chance of winning in November is if he actually wins.

    Btw... look at an Electoral College chart sometime, why don't you?. If you do, you'll realize that if Obama wins even one of the swing states, he wins the election.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dark Sage View Post
    Heck, you wouldn't admit that the attempt to blame rising gas prices on the President had failed until the fifth straight week of them going down, and even then you said that it was because of the bad economy, and he would be blamed for that.
    Dude it IS for the bad economy, you realize that right? It's dropping like a stone because of poor economic numbers. And honestly if you do not think a President will not be held accountable for that then you are kidding yourself.

    Quote Originally Posted by Dark Sage View Post
    I'm not coming to this thread any more Roy, because I am firmly convinced that only thing that will get you to admit that Obama has a chance of winning in November is if he actually wins.
    Don't let the door hit you on the ass on the way out.

    By the way I have $10 dollars on you will be back in a week? Anyone else want to join in? He's played this game before.

    Quote Originally Posted by Dark Sage View Post
    Btw... look at an Electoral College chart sometime, why don't you?. If you do, you'll realize that if Obama wins even one of the swing states, he wins the election.
    And he will have to win states he won in 2008, which is becoming exceedingly unlikely.

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    Reports are MSNBC is calling it for Walker!

    Edit: Fox News calls it for Walker!

    Edit again: CNN now calls Walker the winner!!!!

    Final Edit: ABC, CBS, and AP have called it!

    I believe it is time to bring it out.. my reaction to how the Unions/Democrats/MSNBC is acting right now.

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    You're both douchebags.

    That having been said,

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    How is it that I go away for 3 weeks and no one has posted in this thread?
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    Aw fuck there's the jinx. Shit's gonna start again by tomorrow.

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