2012 U.S. Presidential Election

[Dark Sage]

I will post. I swore I wouldn't, but now that the Supreme Court has made it's ruling on the Affordable Health Care Act, I can't resist.

It has not been found unconstitutional. It will stand. Obama has claimed a big victory.

Boehner warned the GOP members of the House not to gloat. Now he has to tell them not to cry.

[Roy Karrde]

I will post. I swore I wouldn't, but now that the Supreme Court has made it's ruling on the Affordable Health Care Act, I can't resist.

It has not been found unconstitutional. It will stand. Obama has claimed a big victory.

Boehner warned the GOP members of the House not to gloat. Now he has to tell them not to cry.

It was not found unconstitutional? They said that you could not use it under the Commerce Clause, that in and of itself makes it unconstitutional. They did suggest it can be used as a tax, but the original use of it was unconstitutional.

However now Obama has to run on what is the most unpopular law in the past century, and run on it as a TAX. Dude you think the Tea Party was tough before, wait till they attack Obamacare as the biggest tax increase ever!

[Dark Sage]

Give it up, Roy. No matter how you try to spin it, the Affordable Health Care Act, with the Individual Mandate in place, has survived.

My prediction: Eventually, the folks who labeled it "Obamacare" are going to be VERY sorry they did so. This is going to be his legacy.

[Roy Karrde]

Give it up, Roy. No matter how you try to spin it, the Affordable Health Care Act, with the Individual Mandate in place, has survived.

My prediction: Eventually, the folks who labeled it "Obamacare" are going to be VERY sorry they did so. This is going to be his legacy.

So again his legacy is a incredibly unpopular law, that adds in the biggest tax increase in history for the middle class and lower class? Dude please I hope that is his legacy as you just energized his opponents, and drags down his Presidency.

[Dark Sage]

I love how you're trying to turn this into a victory. You're failing miserably.

Obama didn't make it into a tax, the Court interpreted it as one. The law hasn't truly changed one bit.

I know you folks in the GOP are upset because you have to cancel the big party you thought you would be throwing right now. But it seems you're just as stubborn as ever.

[Roy Karrde]

I love how you're trying to turn this into a victory. You're failing miserably.

The fact that you are back and are struggling to defend it shows I am not.

Obama didn't make it into a tax, the Court interpreted it as one.

And yet it is still Obama's law, it has his signature attached to it. Unless he immediately strikes to repeal the law's mandate right now, the tax is on his hands.

I know you folks in the GOP are upset because you have to cancel the big party you thought you would be throwing right now. But it seems you're just as stubborn as ever.

Nothing stubborn about it, just relaying to you the reality of the situation, and how election for Obama just became ALOT harder now. And lets not forget, he cannot run against that "Radical Supreme Court" now that he has been trying out for the last few weeks.

[Dark Sage]

I tend to think differently Roy. Here's some food for thought.

Romney is likely going to spend the rest of the campaign making this an issue. HOWEVER... He can promise to repeal it all he wants. Unless he comes up with a better plan to replace it with - and fast, I might add - such a promise is not going to get him very far.

And he's not doing too well, I might add. He's practically given up trying to win over voters in the state that he was governor of, and even members of his campaign team have been quoted as saying that the Latino vote is "a lost cause" for him now.

[kurai]

It was not found unconstitutional? They said that you could not use it under the Commerce Clause, that in and of itself makes it unconstitutional. They did suggest it can be used as a tax, but the original use of it was unconstitutional.

this is not correct

ROBERTS, C. J., announced the judgment of the Court and delivered 
the opinion of the Court with respect to Parts I, II, and III–C, in which 
GINSBURG, BREYER, SOTOMAYOR, and KAGAN, JJ., joined; an opinion with
respect to Part IV, in which BREYER  and KAGAN, JJ., joined; and an 
opinion with respect to Parts III–A, III–B, and III–D. GINSBURG, J., 
filed an opinion concurring in part, concurring in the judgment in part,
and dissenting in part, in which SOTOMAYOR, J., joined, and in which
BREYER and KAGAN, JJ., joined as to Parts I, II, III, and IV.  SCALIA, 
KENNEDY, THOMAS, and ALITO, JJ., filed a dissenting opinion.  THOMAS, 
J., filed a dissenting opinion.

CHIEF  JUSTICE  ROBERTS concluded in Part  III–A that the indi-
vidual mandate is not a valid exercise of Congress’s power under the 
Commerce Clause and the Necessary and Proper Clause.  Pp. 16–30.

CHIEF  JUSTICE  ROBERTS  delivered the opinion of the Court with 
respect to Part III–C, concluding that the individual mandate may be
upheld as within Congress’s power under the Taxing Clause.  Pp. 33– 
44.

I, II, III-C is the majority opinion and it does not contain the assertion you imply; III-A is not part of the judgement

[Roy Karrde]

CHIEF  JUSTICE  ROBERTS  delivered the opinion of the Court with 
respect to Part III–C, concluding that the individual mandate may be
upheld as within Congress’s power under the Taxing Clause.  Pp. 33– 
44.

I, II, III-C is the majority opinion and it does not contain the assertion you imply; III-A is not part of the judgement

In which my point still stands, the finding of 3C is that the Individual Mandate "MAY BE UPHELD" is through the taxation clause, NOT through the Necessary and Proper Clause or the Commerce Clause.