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    Quote Originally Posted by Dark Sage View Post
    No Roy, I'm not joking. I'm just amazed at how you still try to convince me with a bunch of statistics after I've already told you that I don't walk that route.

    Honestly, do YOU ever actually talk to people?
    Yes I do talk to people, and if you cannot handle statistics or information why the hell are you even here? Polls play a major part of any political debate.

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    Edit: Another thing Roy... I know a lot of folks who were around when Nixon won re-election by a landslide. Some of them still don't know how he won. They say things like, "I certianly don't know anyone who voted for him".

    Well, I can think of many reasons why he won, but the point is... People like YOU are like those people, who simply can't see how the incumbent President could have a chance when he actually has a very GOOD chance.
    Actually I would say you have a good chance of being one of those people, as looking at polls and information before hand would have probably told them Nixon was going to win ( Although I do not have that information right off the hand, so I am only guessing ).

    Those who are unable to take it in more than likely lived in a cocoon talking to like minded people and basing their opinion like that. Sounds familiar?

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    I do NOT "live in a cocoon"! Do you think I spend my whole life in front of this computer?

    Here's something else to consider: Obama has history on his side.

    Only five incumbent Presidents have lost re-election, and only one of those has been a Democrat.

    I'll show you:

    George H.W. Bush, Republican, lost to Bill Clinton in 1992.
    Jimmy Carter, Democrat, lost to Ronald Reagan in 1980.
    Gerald Ford, Republican, lost to Jimmy Carter in 1976.
    Herbert Hoover, Republican, lost to Franklin D. Roosevelt in 1932.
    William Taft, Republican, lost to Woodrow Wilson in 1912.

    All of these incumbents lost for VERY good reasons, reasons that are absent now. Romney does not have the charisma of Reagan or Clinton. He can't blame something as big as the Great Depression on Obama, the reason Hoover lost; Obama didn't pardon a guy who everyone wanted to see go to jail like Ford did. And seeing as the reason Taft lost was because Theodore Roosevelt was running as a third candidate, that option is out the window too.

    Obama may have problems, but none that even comes close to the ones that these incumbents had in their re-election campaigns.

    Romney needs a new way to accomplish this diffcult task, and he has less than 100 days to find one.

    Edit: And by the way. The polls are indeed showing that Obama is going to win. The Electoral map shows him with 290 votes if the election were held today, compared to 190 for Romney, and he is leading slightly in all of the swing states.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dark Sage View Post
    I do NOT "live in a cocoon"! Do you think I spend my whole life in front of this computer?

    Here's something else to consider: Obama has history on his side.

    Only five incumbent Presidents have lost re-election, and only one of those has been a Democrat.

    I'll show you:

    George H.W. Bush, Republican, lost to Bill Clinton in 1992.
    Jimmy Carter, Democrat, lost to Ronald Reagan in 1980.
    Gerald Ford, Republican, lost to Jimmy Carter in 1976.
    Herbert Hoover, Republican, lost to Franklin D. Roosevelt in 1932.
    William Taft, Republican, lost to Woodrow Wilson in 1912.

    All of these incumbents lost for VERY good reasons, reasons that are absent now. Romney does not have the charisma of Reagan or Clinton. He can't blame something as big as the Great Depression on Obama, the reason Hoover lost; Obama didn't pardon a guy who everyone wanted to see go to jail like Ford did. And seeing as the reason Taft lost was because Theodore Roosevelt was running as a third candidate, that option is out the window too.

    Obama may have problems, but none that even comes close to the ones that these incumbents had in their re-election campaigns.

    Romney needs a new way to accomplish this diffcult task, and he has less than 100 days to find one.
    If history is on Obama's side then Obama is going to lose. No modern President has won reelection with a economy above 7.6% unemployment. Further more when we look a consumer sentiment, Obama ranks incredably low on the chart compared to other Presidents who won reelection.



    The same can be said for real disposable income.



    If Obama has history on his side, that history says he will lose.
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    Roy, never mind the fact that FDR was in office for twelve years with unemployment much higher than that. (I guess maybe you don't consider him a "modern President", even though many consider him the first "modern President".)

    But I have better things to do, and I'm sick of looking at your dumb charts and graphs. They'll be good for nothing but toilet paper after November. So I'm just going to leave.

    And if you even think about lying and say I'm running away from an arguement that I'm losing, my next message to you is going to be...

    Well, let's just say you're going to see a side of me I don't like to show.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dark Sage View Post
    Roy, never mind the fact that FDR was in office for twelve years with unemployment much higher than that. (I guess maybe you don't consider him a "modern President", even though many consider him the first "modern President".)

    But I have better things to do, and I'm sick of looking at your dumb charts and graphs. They'll be good for nothing but toilet paper after November. So I'm just going to leave.

    And if you even think about lying and say I'm running away from an arguement that I'm losing, my next message to you is going to be...

    Well, let's just say you're going to see a side of me I don't like to show.
    Hey you can do what ever the hell you want, how other people including myself are going to see it that is up to our own perception. But YOU were the one that came back.. again.

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    I hate to say it, because I don't generally like to side with Roy, but I'm afraid that charts, graphs, diagrams and quotes are the way you win a debate.

    For example, back when I was in college in the debating club, there was the debate titled "Jaffa Cakes: Are they a cake or a biscuit?"


    ^ Jaffa Cake. For those of you who for some reason do not know what a jaffa cake is. It might be a Brit thing, I dunno.

    The Cake side presents the case that it is clearly in the name. Jaffa Cake. And that when cakes go stale, they go hard, where as biscuits go soft. Jaffa Cakes go hard, so are therefore cakes. In a court case, McVities presented this case by baking a giant Jaffa Cake, in order to prove that it was in fact a cake and avoid having to pay VAT on their product.

    The Biscuit side presents the fact that they are clearly biscuit size. Packaged like biscuits, eaten like biscuits and probably in the biscuit section of the super market.

    You can clearly see who won that debate I think they even provided Jaffa Cake samples.

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    Hate to go off topic, but damn you Becki! I can't have dinner until my plates are done washing and I am sooooo hungry ;~;

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dark Sage View Post
    And if you even think about lying and say I'm running away from an arguement that I'm losing, my next message to you is going to be...

    Well, let's just say you're going to see a side of me I don't like to show.
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    Hate to go off topic, but damn you Becki! I can't have dinner until my plates are done washing and I am sooooo hungry ;~;
    Do you have a sink? (Optional) Do you have a plug or washing up bowl for the sink? Do you have running water? Do you have washing up liquid? Do you have a sponge or dishcloth? Do you have a tea towel (again, may be a britthing) or equivalent to dry it with?

    If the answer to all the above questions are yes, you sir have been trolled by your own laziness and reliance on machinery to do a simple task for you XD

    YOU ONLY NEEDED TO WASH ONE PLATE IN ORDER TO EAT (assuming you are the only one eating said meal).

    And also assuming you do not need any pots and pans that may be in the dishwasher.

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    Uh, Chibi... Forgive me if I sound blunt...

    But that debate you mentioned sounded kind of ridiculous.

    If a snack food has the word "cake" in its name, then I'm more than certain that makes it a cake.

    Btw, where can get some of these Jaffa Cakes? Do they sell them in the States?

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    Where do I imply it was meant to be a serious debate? It wasn't in college, but there was a legitimate court case where they ruled that they are cakes. I mean, it's the difference between paying VAT on your product or not, and it was clearly important to McVities otherwise they wouldn't have bothered.

    I just found out that Pringles did a very similar thing before, where they argued that Pringles are not crisps (chips), and therefore exempt from the 17.5% VAT charge on crisps. However, I think they may have had another court proceeding? I dunno, you can read it if you want.

    So actually, the Jaffa Cake debate was quite important to Her Majesty's Revenue and Customs. If it had ruled the other way, HMRC would be receiving VAT on every packet of Jaffa Cakes sold. Not so ridiculous anymore

    And to answer your final question, I have no idea if they are sold in the states. I haven't been in 8 years. And for your trivia, I actually don't like Jaffa Cakes XD
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    Quote Originally Posted by ChobiChibi View Post
    I just found out that Pringles did a very similar thing before, where they argued that Pringles are not crisps (chips), and therefore exempt from the 17.5% VAT charge on crisps. However, I think they may have had another court proceeding? I dunno, you can read it if you want.
    Hold on a second... If I remember correctly, "chips" is what french fries are called in Britain, while "crisps" is what they call potato chips.

    Maybe the reason Pringles wasn't classified as such was because they're packaged in a way that's different than most brands of potato chips, in those cardboard tubes instead of bags.

    Heck, I have no idea... I'll be the first one to admit that law and legal matters is one area I know nothing about.

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    Yeah, I was just clarifying incase you (or anyone) thought they were trying to argue that Pringles are not some other form of potato something.

    I know what I'm trying to say here, but my brain is mashed. (Pun totally intended)

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    Romney has responded to Reid's comments in a radio interview:

    "Well, it's time for Harry to put up or shut up. Harry's going to have to describe who it is he spoke with because of course, that's totally and completely wrong. It's untrue, dishonest, and inaccurate. It's wrong. So I'm looking forward to have Harry reveal his sources and we'll probably find out it's the White House."
    Unfortuately, when given the choice between "put up or shut up", Reid decided he clearly was not going to shut up. This was his response:

    "There is a controversy because the Republican presidential nominee, Governor Mitt Romney, refuses to release his tax returns. As I said before, I was told by an extremely credible source that Romney has not paid taxes for ten years. People who make as much money as Mitt Romney have many tricks at their disposal to avoid paying taxes. We already know that Romney has exploited many of these loopholes, stashing his money in secret, overseas accounts in places like Switzerland and the Cayman Islands.

    Last weekend, Governor Romney promised that he would check his tax returns and let the American people know whether he ever paid a rate lower than 13.9 percent. One day later, his campaign raced to say he had no intention of putting out any further information.

    "When it comes to answering the legitimate questions the American people have about whether he avoided paying his fair share in taxes or why he opened a Swiss bank account, Romney has shut up. But as a presidential candidate, it’s his obligation to put up, and release several years’ worth of tax returns just like nominees of both parties have done for decades.

    "It’s clear Romney is hiding something, and the American people deserve to know what it is. Whatever Romney’s hiding probably speaks volumes about how he would approach issues that directly impact middle-class families, like tax reform and the economy. When you are running for president, you should be an open book."

    Now, Romney has the ability to end this at any time, if these allegations are indeed untrue. All he has to do is release his tax returns (as even several prominent members of the GOP want him to do) and Reid would look like a fool, and he'd likely improve dramatically in the polls. But for some reason he either can't or won't. Is it because he's simply too stubborn? Or is it because he truly does have something to hide?

    The ball is your court, Mr. Romney. I am not like the Birthers, and I will accept your tax returns as legitimate if I see them in black and white.

    Edit: Btw, I don't want to hear that Romney "doesn't have to". I know he's released the required forms. But since when is doing the minimum required considered acceptable?

    Mr. Obama released ten years of his tax returns while running for President, and so did McCain. So did G.W. Bush, Clinton, G.H.W. Bush, Reagan, Dole, Kerry... Basically, everyone who ran for President in modern times.

    Romney is the odd man out. He, for some reason, will not.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dark Sage View Post
    Now, Romney has the ability to end this at any time, if these allegations are indeed untrue. All he has to do is release his tax returns (as even several prominent members of the GOP want him to do) and Reid would look like a fool, and he'd likely improve dramatically in the polls. But for some reason he either can't or won't. Is it because he's simply too stubborn? Or is it because he truly does have something to hide?

    The ball is your court, Mr. Romney. I am not like the Birthers, and I will accept your tax returns as legitimate if I see them in black and white.
    Actually you are JUST like those birthers, as Romney has released two years of his tax returns, just like Obama released his birth certificate, now you want the "Long Form" of the tax returns. So yes, you are just as pathetic as the birthers.

    Furthermore is Reid honestly saying that a CEO, Head of the Olympic Committee, Governor, and Presidential Candidate got by with out paying any taxes, is Reid HONESTLY saying that.

    By the way since the standard of proof now is "I heard", I heard that Harry Reid molested three children, lets look into that.

    Quote Originally Posted by Dark Sage View Post
    Edit: Btw, I don't want to hear that Romney "doesn't have to". I know he's released the required forms. But since when is doing the minimum required considered acceptable?

    Mr. Obama released ten years of his tax returns while running for President, and so did McCain. So did G.W. Bush, Clinton, G.H.W. Bush, Reagan, Dole, Kerry... Basically, everyone who ran for President in modern times.

    Romney is the odd man out. He, for some reason, will not.
    Umm dude, McCain released two years of tax returns, and Reagan released one year. And John Kerry's wife, the holder of the fortune, released just a summery.

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    It still doesn't change the fact that Romney could make Reid look like a blooming idiot in one swift stroke. And even the GOP are pressuring him to do it.

    So why doesn't he?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dark Sage View Post
    It still doesn't change the fact that Romney could make Reid look like a blooming idiot in one swift stroke. And even the GOP are pressuring him to do it.

    So why doesn't he?
    Why doesn't Obama release his long form birth certificate? Why did he wait three years to put it out? He could have made the birthers look like a idiot at any time right?

    Dude you are reciting the same pathetic arguments, made by a pathetic bunch of people. You honestly are lowering yourself into their stupidity, I would laugh if it wasn't so sad.

    Edit: And as other people have pointed out, Reid has now given Romney the highground.

    "Now Romney can paint his decision to keep them private as a principled stand against unscrupulous opponents. Reid has handed the high ground to Romney in this fight with his scurrilous lies. Reid has all but ruined Obama’s strategy of making Romney look secretive and weird."

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    I notice you didn't jump on the monthly jobs report, which said that hiring during July was the best it has been since February.

    Unemployment did rise by 0.1%... However... Just as the GOP is fond of saying that a decrease in unemployment likely means that people have simply stopped looking for work, this may mean that more people are job-hunting again.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dark Sage View Post
    I notice you didn't jump on the monthly jobs report, which said that hiring during July was the best it has been since February.

    Unemployment did rise by 0.1%... However... Just as the GOP is fond of saying that a decrease in unemployment likely means that people have simply stopped looking for work, this may mean that more people are job-hunting again.
    Actually I did not get to it as I went to the forums first before jumping to the news, I saw your argument and decided to jump on that. As for the number, sure 163,000 is a good number, despite the fact it just slightly outpaces population growth. But deep down the numbers are bad, the U-6 number jumped nearly a full point, the .1% rise grew from the 348,000 that left the workforce which is not good for anyone.

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    Gee, Roy, the folks on Wall Street seem to think that the Jobs Report is good news. The Market is having the best day it's had in a LONG time. As I write this, the DJIA is up 242 points.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dark Sage View Post
    Gee, Roy, the folks on Wall Street seem to think that the Jobs Report is good news. The Market is having the best day it's had in a LONG time. As I write this, the DJIA is up 242 points.
    Well after two months of crapped out numbers of course they were going to jump. But if we are going to set a standard of what is good, shouldn't we set the standard established by the President himself?



    310,000 jobs added and a 5.6% unemployment rate was not good enough, it did not help the Middle Class, so I mean going by Obama's standard....

    Romney is also attacking Harry Reid now for his birther stupidity.

    http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/pol...reid-taxes.cnn

    Put Up or Shut Up seems to be the key message of the campaign when it comes to this issue, and it seems like a pretty good one. I also love the dig at Obama for saying that the campaigns will be a debate about the direction of the country. Because so far Obama has not kept his word on that.
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    Hey, Roy...

    Here's something that Romney said on the whole issue of his tax returns:

    He said that said people should visit his website to see his financial disclosure statements dating back to 2002 and his 2010 tax return.

    "Go on the website, you'll be surprised to see the amazing amount of data that's associated with our campaign's disclosure," he said.


    Well, I decided to do just that. Here is what I got:

    "Sorry, this page is not available.

    This page does not exist or may have moved."
    True story.

    In addition, this isn't the first time Mitt has had a problem with taxes. I found this:

    http://www.bostonglobe.com/metro/200...QPO/story.html

    You gotta admit, even if Romney has indeed paid taxes for the past ten years, you get the feeling that he's not being honest with them, as rich people tend to do.
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    I hate to double-post, but there's something else that just came up that kinda disgusts me.

    The GOTPers are up in arms, criticising the President that he's taking the weekend off by playing golf... Despite the fact that it's his birthday.

    So he isn't even allowed to take his birthday off now? Never mind the fact that Romney and his family are also taking the weekend off, at their $8 million private estate.

    The Republican National Committee even did their best to mock him with a bunch of highly inappropriate gag birthday cards. Look at this:

    http://baracksbirthdaycards.com/

    I hope it rains on the birthday of whoever thought this up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dark Sage View Post
    In addition, this isn't the first time Mitt has had a problem with taxes. I found this:

    http://www.bostonglobe.com/metro/200...QPO/story.html
    That wasn't a tax problem, that was a residency problem, one that the Mass Supreme Court sided with Romney on at the end of the day.

    Quote Originally Posted by Dark Sage View Post
    You gotta admit, even if Romney has indeed paid taxes for the past ten years, you get the feeling that he's not being honest with them, as rich people tend to do.
    Okay you need to go on and admit that he paid his taxes, none of this italicized or "even" crap. Because you look like a fucking retard, and in the process of becoming a pathetic joke. Harry Reid has already lowered himself to the level of a shit eating cretin, there is no reason for you or the rest of the Democratic party to do so as well.

    And honestly Obama needs to get off the golf course and denounce read for this stupidity.

    Quote Originally Posted by Dark Sage View Post
    I hate to double-post, but there's something else that just came up that kinda disgusts me.
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    Roy, really, there's no need for profanity...

    And Romney has an easy way to remedy this, assuming he has nothing to hide...

    If he released his tax forms, Reid would officially replace Orly Taitz for the title of Biggest Idiot in Politics.

    Not only that, the disgrace that the Obama camp would suffer due to Reid being caught in a lie would push Romney ahead in the polls.

    But Romney won't do it. Why? He certainly has the power, so why doesn't he?
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    Roy, really, there's no need for profanity...
    Dark, you are a good person, you are a pretty damn good debater, this argument is beneath you. It is beneath the Democratic Party, it is beneath the dignity of the Senate, and it is certainly beneath the dignity of the leadership of the Senate.

    There is a line I remember from one of my favorite Episodes of the West Wing "Bartlett for America." During the questioning of the White House Chief of Staff, one of the Republican Senators goes too far and questions about his personal life. Another Republican Senator comes to him and says something profound. "This is why good people hate us".

    Well Dark Sage, look at this argument and who is speaking it. "This is why good people hate the Democratic Party."

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    And Romney has an easy way to remedy this, assuming he has nothing to hide...

    If he released his tax forms, Reid would officially replace Orly Taitz for the title of Biggest Idiot in Politics.

    Not only that, the disgrace that the Obama camp would suffer due to Reid being caught in a lie would push Romney ahead in the polls.

    But Romney won't do it. Why? He certainly has the power, so why doesn't he?
    Lets rephrase this shall we?

    "And Obama has an easy way to remedy this, assuming he has nothing to hide...

    If he released his long form birth certificate, Trump would officially replace Orly Taitz for the title of Biggest Idiot in Politics.

    Not only that, the disgrace that the Romney camp would suffer due to Trump being caught in a lie would push Obama ahead in the polls.

    But Obama won't do it. Why? He certainly has the power, so why doesn't he?"

    Congratulations Dark Sage, you are now a birther, I dub thee Zeroer or what ever name eventually is dubbed for people that engage in such stupidity.

    And what are your views on birthers?

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    He's an embarrassment to the GOP, in fact, as is anyone who persists with the Birther balony.
    By your logic, you are a embarrassment to the Democratic party, as is Harry Reid.

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    Maybe if Romney had the backbone to publically condemn the Birthers, I'd be willing to take his word for it. And respect him.

    But no Republican will. Know why?

    They don't want to lose votes.

    And fyi, Obama DID release it. And the Birthers ARE a laughingstock because of it. The whole business has seriously hurt the GOP.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dark Sage View Post
    Maybe if Romney had the backbone to publically condemn the Birthers, I'd be willing to take his word for it. And respect him.

    But no Republican will. Know why?

    They don't want to lose votes.
    Same excuse could go for the Democrats and the Truthers, or now Harry Reid and the Zeroers.

    But here is the thing, you do not need to take his word for it, you need to use your head. Look at what Harry Reid is saying and ask you this.

    A: What is Harry Reid's Proof?
    B: How did Harry Reid's Source get proof that only 3 people know about ( Romney, His Wife, His Tax Attorney ).
    C: Why hasn't the IRS audited him when he was a Governor?
    D: Why hasn't the IRS audited him when he was a CEO?
    E: Why hasn't the IRS audited him when he was a Presidential Candidate in 2008?

    The sheer implausibility and stupidity of it should debunk it immediately. You do not have to like Romney, you just have to use your head.

    Quote Originally Posted by Dark Sage View Post
    And fyi, Obama DID release it. And the Birthers ARE a laughingstock because of it. The whole business has seriously hurt the GOP.
    Obama released the short form, the birthers asked for the long form, Romney has released two years of tax returns, the Zeroers are asking for 10.

    By the way, want to talk about what is hurting who? Lets look at some of the coverage.

    ABC News: Jonathan KARL: He was responding to an outrageous and apparently unfounded allegation from Harry Reid, the top Democrat in the Senate.

    http://newsbusters.org/blogs/brad-wi...#ixzz22cuNvCHu

    NY Times: Mr. Reid appears to be once again reprising a rhetorical technique he has mastered over 25 years in the Senate: repeatedly needling his Republican adversaries in ways that often push the boundaries of political propriety.

    http://newsbusters.org/blogs/pj-glad...#ixzz22cubSzVs

    Which party is being seriously hurt right now I ask?
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    Call me crazy, but I don't see the term "Zeroers" catching on very fast.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dark Sage View Post
    Call me crazy, but I don't see the term "Zeroers" catching on very fast.
    I know I created it just to dub it something, what is however catching on, well Harry Reid's possible record of Child Molestation and Murder, there is even a twitter feed for his despicable yet unproven crimes.

    https://twitter.com/AceofSpadesHQ

    Those poor poor alleged children, what horrors has Harry Reid subjected them to.

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    Roy, you'll notice I never called Romney a tax cheat, or actually said I believed Reid's accusation.

    Here's my honest opinion:

    Reid is, in effect, playing "politics", trying to bait Romney until he releases those returns, which is what everyone wants. The Democrats want the public to see the exact numbers.

    It's a gambit, of course. Will it pay off? I don't know.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dark Sage View Post
    Roy, you'll notice I never called Romney a tax cheat, or actually said I believed Reid's accusation.
    No you said that if he had nothing to hide he should release them, followed by questioning why he wouldn't, infering that if he doesn't release them that he has something to hide. Same could be said for Harry Reid, if he is not a Child Raping Murderer, he needs to come clean about it! Think of the children!

    Quote Originally Posted by Dark Sage View Post
    Here's my honest opinion:

    Reid is, in effect, playing "politics", trying to bait Romney until he releases those returns, which is what everyone wants. The Democrats want the public to see the exact numbers.

    It's a gambit, of course. Will it pay off? I don't know.
    But here is what you are not seeing, this takes the argument Obama has been attacking Romney with, and destroying it for good. The press, and Romney have been doing a great job in making Harry Reid look like the piece of shit he is. Now if Obama tries to do the tax return argument, it is going to be looped in with Harry Reid's stupidity. In essence Romney went from having to be on defense for a issue, to offense.
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    Roy, you're one to talk. You're accusing Reid of some very serious felonies, and unless you have something solid to back them up with, you'd better stop right now!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dark Sage View Post
    Roy, you're one to talk. You're accusing Reid of some very serious felonies, and unless you have something solid to back them up with, you'd better stop right now!
    I have heard from a source that says they have a unnamed source that Harry Reid is a Child Molesting Murderer, which is about the same amount of evidence that Harry Reid has used for Romney. Turn about is fair play is it not?

    By the way, where is your outrage at Harry Reid not having something solid to back it up? Up till now you have been parroting his argument.

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    Tax evasion is a white collar crime. It is not even close to the crimes you are accusing him of.

    In fact, I would say that accusing a politician of murder is WORSE than anything that a Birther has done.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dark Sage View Post
    Tax evasion is a white collar crime. It is not even close to the crimes you are accusing him of.
    A crime is a crime, and I am applying the same level of evidence that Harry Reid is applying, honestly, think of the children if I am right! THE CHILDREN!

    By the way google: Harry Reid Pedophile, apparently news is traveling quickly of Harry Reid's crimes.

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    By the way, you say that Obama hasn't released his long form birth certificate?

    See for yourself:

    http://www.whitehouse.gov/blog/2011/...th-certificate

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dark Sage View Post
    By the way, you say that Obama hasn't released his long form birth certificate?

    See for yourself:

    http://www.whitehouse.gov/blog/2011/...th-certificate
    Released in 2011, so that gives Romney... two and a half years into his Presidency to satisfy Harry Reid and his mouth breathing retards?

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    Still can't admit you were wrong, huh?

    And by the way, exactly what is Obama going to do about Reid? Tell him to stop? If there's one thing I've learned since he was elected, it's that he has a hard time controlling anyone in Congress, even the Democrats.

    The organization of both the House and the Senate right now can best be compared to a gang of drunken clowns. They have a hard time getting anything accomplished within their own parties, let alone anything bipartisan. This is the worst Congress in history, and we can only hope the elections will change it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dark Sage View Post
    Still can't admit you were wrong, huh?
    Oh I freely admit I was wrong and I do not keep up with the rantings of idiotic birthers. Now will you admit that Harry Reid's argument is wrong?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dark Sage View Post
    And by the way, exactly what is Obama going to do about Reid? Tell him to stop? If there's one thing I've learned since he was elected, it's that he has a hard time controlling anyone in Congress, even the Democrats.
    Seeing how Reid is one of the most powerful people in Congress and the Democratic party, Obama could denounce him, and honestly he needs to very quickly as he is losing access to one of his biggest arguments.

    Quote Originally Posted by Dark Sage View Post
    The organization of both the House and the Senate right now can best be compared to a gang of drunken clowns. They have a hard time getting anything accomplished within their own parties, let alone anything bipartisan. This is the worst Congress in history, and we can only hope the elections will change it.
    Yeah it is called electing a Republican Senate and President Romney, anything less will only cause more partisan gridlock.

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