2012 U.S. Presidential Election

[Roy Karrde]

I know. It sounds dumber than the VP who misspelled "potato".

And yet our current President says this: ‘Three Proud Words: Made in the USA’

And our current Vice President says this: 'it happens to be a three-letter word: Jobs. J-O-B-S.'

[Dark Sage]

So tell me something, Roy... Why is Romney campaigning in California right now - a state he couldn't win if his life depended on it - instead of concentrating on the swing states?

[Roy Karrde]

So tell me something, Roy... Why is Romney campaigning in California right now - a state he couldn't win if his life depended on it - instead of concentrating on the swing states?

http://www.latimes.com/news/politics...0,450706.story

Fundraising =/= Campaigning

[Dark Sage]

Okay, now Romney is saying that the comment about plane windows was a joke...

He made a comment that made him look like an idiot, and now he's saying it was a joke...

Well, no-one seems to be laughing...

[Roy Karrde]

Hey what ever it takes to get the story back to Obama's failure to meet with World Leaders while instead choosing to go onto the View this week while at the U.N. and the latest information of the failures at Bengauzi.

[Dark Sage]

Obama goes on The View.

Romney goes on Fox News.

Need I say more?

[Roy Karrde]

Obama goes on The View.

Romney goes on Fox News.

Need I say more?

Yeah, Romney isn't the President and avoiding speaking with Foreign Leaders at a time where Israel and Iran can be going to war to go on Fox News.

And by the way, is something wrong with The View? It's been nominated for thirteen Emmys for Outstanding Talk Show on the Daytime Emmy Awards (winning once), nominated thirteen times for Outstanding Talk Show Host (again, winning once), won the People's Choice Award twice, the NAACP Image Award three times, and the Critic's Choice Award once.

I don't see Fox News with such a record.

Nothing is wrong with the View, but if Obama finds that to be more important than his Presidential duties, then I am sure he will find plenty of time to go on The View when he is voted out of office in a few months.

[Dark Sage]

And by the way, is something wrong with The View? It's been nominated for thirteen Emmys for Outstanding Talk Show on the Daytime Emmy Awards (winning once), nominated thirteen times for Outstanding Talk Show Host (again, winning once), won the People's Choice Award twice, the NAACP Image Award three times, and the Critic's Choice Award once.

I don't see Fox News with such a record.

Most importantly, The View is a popular show, meaning that it lets him get his message to a lot of people, a smart thing to do for someone running for re-election.

[Roy Karrde]

And by the way, is something wrong with The View? It's been nominated for thirteen Emmys for Outstanding Talk Show on the Daytime Emmy Awards (winning once), nominated thirteen times for Outstanding Talk Show Host (again, winning once), won the People's Choice Award twice, the NAACP Image Award three times, and the Critic's Choice Award once.

I don't see Fox News with such a record.

Already answered that.

Most importantly, The View is a popular show, meaning that it lets him get his message to a lot of people, a smart thing to do for someone running for re-election.

So running for re-election now is more important than his Presidential duties? Dude even CNN isn't buying that crap as they made pounded him last night for it.

[Dark Sage]

Nothing is wrong with the View, but if Obama finds that to be more important than his Presidential duties, then I am sure he will find plenty of time to go on The View when he is voted out of office in a few months.

I've heard that from a lot of ignorant GOPs. "Why is Obama spending so much time campaigning when he should be running the country?"

Duh. All incumbent Presidents in history have done the same thing at this time in their first terms.

[Roy Karrde]

I've heard that from a lot of ignorant GOPs. "Why is Obama spending so much time campaigning when he should be running the country?"

Duh. All incumbent Presidents in history have done the same thing at this time in their first terms.

Yet it is still important to meet with World Leaders, that is their job. And at a time when the Mid East is in turmoil, and war with Iran is on the horizon, you would think he would take the opportunity to spend face time with them, especially with Ahmadinajad is in town, than chat it up with the ladies of The View. I mean seriously which is more important? The Middle East? Or The View?

[Dark Sage]

If Ahmadinajad was in town, I'd want him to leave town as soon as possible. I certainly wouldn't want the President to speak to him. The guy is insane, Roy, and certainly you can't deny THAT.

[Roy Karrde]

If Ahmadinajad was in town, I'd want him to leave town as soon as possible. I certainly wouldn't want the President to speak to him. The guy is insane, Roy, and certainly you can't deny THAT.

I don't deny that but as President you have to deal with bad people, and this is the perfect chance to get a one on one chat with him, especially to gauge his willingness to retaliate against the U.S. if Israel were to strike Iran.

By the way as the AP notes:

Both Presidents George W. Bush in 2004 and Bill Clinton in 1996, though, held a series of meetings with foreign leaders during U.N. visits in their re-election years.

http://news.yahoo.com/obama-election...RNC%20Research

Also it WAS delivered as a joke:

""Basically he was retelling the story and when he said ‘I don’t know why they don’t have roll down windows on airplanes,’ he looked at the audience and everyone laughed,” Everitt told TheBlaze. “It was a clearly delivered joke … There were 1,000 people there that will tell you the same thing.”"

http://nymag.com/daily/intel/2012/09...e-windows.html

[Blademaster]

Read the part where he says he doesn't know why airplane windows don't open.

.............

I need that two-panel comic of the stick man at his computer holding up a gun. This is just getting fucking stupid.

[Dark Sage]

I told you I'd be back when Mr. Obama hit 50% in the polls.

So I'm back.

http://www.gallup.com/poll/election.aspx

I'll remind you again, Roy, you claimed that the Gallup Polls were accurate when they said that voter enthusasm among Democrats was down, only to try to debunk the exact same updated poll by Gallup that said it had greatly improved.

[Roy Karrde]

I told you I'd be back when Mr. Obama hit 50% in the polls.

So I'm back.

http://www.gallup.com/poll/election.aspx

Lets see him hold it for a month.

I'll remind you again, Roy, you claimed that the Gallup Polls were accurate when they said that voter enthusasm among Democrats was down, only to try to debunk the exact same updated poll by Gallup that said it had greatly improved.

I did not debunk it, I merely questioned the timing of the sample, which was a valid criticism.

I also noticed you completely ignored my post...

By the way since you said that Paul Ryan's "Lie" made him not qualified for office, do you now hold Obama to the same standard now that we know that he lied about the Benguazi attack being a spontaneous protest?

[Dark Sage]

Want to talk lies?

Seems that Romney's "Death Star" of attack ads is in desperate need of technical support:

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-me...p-talking-abo/


PolitiFact rates this one Pants on Fire.

[Heald]

I have to admit, this made me laugh:

[Dark Sage]

I did some checking on PolitiFact to compare the honesty of the two candidates. Let's compare them, shall we?

PolitiFact rates the statements made by people as True, Mostly True, Half True, Mostly False, False, and Pants on Fire.

Barrack Obama

True: 94 (23%)
Mostly True: 98 (24%)
Half True: 109 (26%)
Mostly False 50 (12%)
False: 58 (14%)
Pants on Fire 6 (1%)

Now let’s compare Romney’s record on PolitFact, shall we?

Mitt Romney

True: 28 (16%)
Mostly True: 23 (13%)
Half True: 49 (28%)
Mostly False 30 (17%)
False: 28 (16%)
Pants on Fire 16 (9%)

Mr. Obama seems like the more honest one if you ask me.

Edit: Samuel L. Jackson... I love that guy...

[Roy Karrde]

I did some checking on PolitiFact to compare the honesty of the two candidates. Let's compare them, shall we?

PolitiFact rates the statements made by people as True, Mostly True, Half True, Mostly False, False, and Pants on Fire.

Wanna get into a discussion of the factual basis of Politifacts when it comes to covering Obama's ass, sometimes even blatantly lying? Let me be honest Politifacts has done itself a disservice so many times during this election, I can give you a avalanche of evidence. Does that mean everything Politifact has said is wrong? No, but they have been less than unpartisan this election many times.

By the way I notice you have ignored today's poor economic numbers, or the fact that it is now proven that Obama lied about Benguazi.

[Dark Sage]

Poor economic numbers? The Market ended up today.

And no-one seems to care about this whole issue about Benguazi but you. Most everyone has stopped talking about it, and it hasn't hurt Obama's job approval rating or his lead in the polls at all.

[Roy Karrde]

Poor economic numbers? The Market ended up today.

Orders for Durable Goods dropped 13.2% in August the worst decrease in 4 years, signalling we may be going back into a recession. Q2 GDP was revised downward from 1.7% to 1.3%

And no-one seems to care about this whole issue about Benguazi but you. Most everyone has stopped talking about it, and it hasn't hurt Obama's job approval rating or his lead in the polls at all.

No one cares?

CNN: FBI still cannot access Benghazi attack site
http://www.cnn.com/2012/09/26/world/...ion/index.html

Washington Post: Timeline of attack and lies
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/...83bf_blog.html

Washington Post: Obama lied
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/...83bf_blog.html

Fox News: White House knew within 24 hours it was terrorism
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012...urces-confirm/

Daily Beast: White House knew within 24 hours it was terrorism
http://www.thedailybeast.com/article...ffiliates.html

All of these articles are from the last 24 hours.

[Dark Sage]

Strange… You Republicans scream about the border agent who was killed because of the botched Fast and Furious program and about the four Americans killed in the consulate attack…

And yet, you never shed even one tear for the hundreds of soldiers killed in the two wars that Mr. Obama’s predecessor started… I wonder why…

[Roy Karrde]

Strange… You Republicans scream about the border agent who was killed because of the botched Fast and Furious program and about the four Americans killed in the consulate attack…

And yet, you never shed even one tear for the hundreds of soldiers killed in the two wars that Mr. Obama’s predecessor started… I wonder why…

Of course people of both parties shed tears for those that die on the battlefield. But the Benguazi consulate was not a battlefield, and those 4 Americans were not soldiers. As for the Fast and Furious program, that agent would still be alive if the Government had not been arming the other side.

Seriously man, that came damn close to being a ugly ugly personal attack.

[Dark Sage]

So are some thing you expect me to believe, like Obama needing to use teleprompters (which is a myth; every politician, including Romney, has used them since they were invented) and that voter ID laws have nothing to do with voter supression (how gullible do you think the Democrats are?)

You still think Romney is in good shape, Roy? Take a look at these links:

http://firstread.nbcnews.com/_news/2...e?ocid=twitter

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epo...bama-1774.html

Both these polls show Obama with a lead in Virginia. Why is that significant? I'll tell you why: Because a Democrat has not won that state since Lyndon Johnson did.

For more proof that Obama is in good shape, compared to Romney, early voting started in Idaho today, a state considered a swing state, and if opinion polls among voters there are to be believed, Obama is the favorite. Idaho is a pretty small state, yes (six Electoral Votes), but if it is any indication as to how swing states may go, Romney is not doing well.

Edit: Forgive me, I meant to say that Mr. Obama is the first Democrat to have won Virginia since Johnson did.

[Roy Karrde]

So are some thing you expect me to believe, like Obama needing to use teleprompters (which is a myth; every politician, including Romney, has used them since they were invented) and that voter ID laws have nothing to do with voter supression (how gullible do you think the Democrats are?)

How are either of those a personal attack?

You still think Romney is in good shape, Roy? Take a look at these links:

http://firstread.nbcnews.com/_news/2...e?ocid=twitter

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epo...bama-1774.html

First one was done on the 13th man, while Obama was still in his widdle bubble.

The latest has Obama only up 2 there, within the margin of error.

For more proof that Obama is in good shape, compared to Romney, early voting started in Idaho today, a state considered a swing state, and if opinion polls among voters there are to be believed, Obama is the favorite. Idaho is a pretty small state, yes (six Electoral Votes), but if it is any indication as to how swing states may go, Romney is not doing well.

And we still have a LONG way to go

[Dark Sage]

How are either of those a personal attack?

Because they both lead me to believe you think I'm an idiot, just like any Democrat who's presented with such lies by a Republican!

[Roy Karrde]

Because they both lead me to believe you think I'm an idiot, just like any Democrat who's presented with such lies by a Republican!

Umm what? I have actually backed up and defended those points, Obama struggles when not presented with a teleprompter, and the ID Laws are not part of voter suppression. I have never insinuated anything about you when addressing those points.

[Dark Sage]

Umm what? I have actually backed up and defended those points, Obama struggles when not presented with a teleprompter

,

You are myth-taken and myth-informed due to a widespread myth-conception among the GOP.

The ID Laws are not part of voter suppression.

I give that one a Pants on Fire of my own.

[Roy Karrde]

You are myth-taken and myth-informed due to a widespread myth-conception among the GOP.

Hell it even became a late night joke

I give that one a Pants on Fire of my own.

Okay that does not make it any less of a fact on my part.

[Dark Sage]

Roy, does the name Mike Turzai ring any bells?

[Roy Karrde]

Roy, does the name Mike Turzai ring any bells?

Yes and we have already been over his comments before, why do you insist on bringing them up again?

[Dark Sage]

Apparently, because I have to.

You haven't even responded to the Romney attack ad which quoted Mr. Obama completely out of context.

Where it claims he said, "If we keep talking about the economy, we're going to lose", when he was actually quoting Sen. John McCain saying that.

This ad was pretty much a blatent lie, and you keep citicising Mr. Obama for lying?

And please don't say that it was a lie that caused four American deaths, because it wasn't. The attack had already happened. Lying in order to get votes in a Presidential election, as Richard Nixon can tell you, has far graver consequences than something like this.

In short, Roy, if you're going to use the response to the consolate attack as an excuse to call Mr. Obama a liar, then I'm going to use this Romney-approved ad (which Romney refuses to take down) as an excuse to call Romney a liar. End of story.

[Roy Karrde]

Apparently, because I have to.

No really you do not, you claim that some how my views is a attack on you, they are not. Especially not anywhere close to insinuating that I do not care about troop deaths.

And please don't say that it was a lie that caused four American deaths, because it wasn't. The attack had already happened. Lying in order to get votes in a Presidential election, as Richard Nixon can tell you, has far graver consequences than something like this.

And Obama was lying here for election purposes, not saying it was a preplanned terror attack on 9/11 does not make the Obama Administration look weak on foreign policy, or that they were completely caught flat footed.

In short, Roy, if you're going to use the response to the consolate attack as an excuse to call Mr. Obama a liar, then I'm going to use this Romney-approved ad (which Romney refuses to take down) as an excuse to call Romney a liar. End of story.

Feel free to? But it was you, not me that said a liar should not be elected.

[Dark Sage]

Want to know some more of Romney’s lies? I know a bunch of them:

Romney said: "Redistribution" has "never been a characteristic of America."

The truth is: He clearly didn’t do well in history class. It’s been around for a long time, and been a key factor in the administrations of several Presidents, many of them Republicans.

Romney said: Barack Obama began his presidency "with an apology tour."

The truth is: He made two formal apologies during his whole term – towards the end of it.

Romney said: "Under Obama’s plan (for welfare), you wouldn’t have to work and wouldn’t have to train for a job. They just send you your welfare check."

The truth is: That's a drastic distortion of the planned changes to Temporary Assistance to Needy Families. By granting waivers to states, the Obama administration is seeking to make welfare-to-work efforts more successful, not end them. What’s more, the waivers would apply to individually evaluated pilot programs -- HHS is not proposing a blanket, national change to welfare law.

Romney says: President Barack Obama is "ending Medicare as we know it."

The truth is: Not even close.

Romney says: Ronald Reagan’s philosophy of "peace through strength" is why "the Iranians released the hostages on the same day and at the same hour that Reagan was sworn in."

The truth is: Reagan did a lot of things, but this was not one of them. Seven political scholars agree that Reagan’s foreign policy approach was either a minor factor in the release of the hostages or not a factor at all. The fact that the deal was negotiated entirely by the Carter administration, without involvement by Reagan or his transition team, seems to support the expert consensus.

Romney says: In the 2012 State of the Union address, President Obama "didn't even mention the deficit or debt."

The truth is: Try six times, Mr. Romney

Romney says: The U.S. military is at risk of losing its "military superiority" because "our Navy is smaller than it's been since 1917. Our Air Force is smaller and older than any time since 1947."

The truth is: Thanks to the development of everything from nuclear weapons to drones, comparing today’s military to that of 60 to 100 years ago presents an egregious comparison of apples and oranges. He might as well say that our horse cavalry isn’t what it used to be either.

Romney says: "We're only inches away from no longer being a free economy." He has said this three times.

The truth is: Despite the government’s high spending due to the recession, the U.S. ranks low in both total tax burden and high in economic freedom. Romney can make this claim as many times as he wants, but that doesn’t make it true.

I could go on, but I think I’ve made my point.

[Roy Karrde]

I could go on, but I think I’ve made my point.

And I could go on and on about Obama, however as I said at the end of the day, I was not the one that said a liar should not be elected.

[Dark Sage]

By that logic, almost no-one in Washington deserves to be President.

I doubt you'd ever find a truly honest politician. As I've said before, one of George Washington's few ideas that was unpopular was that the concept of political parties was a bad idea. He was right, of course, but by the time anyone realized it, it was too late.

The question now is who the bigger liar is. I won't say who it is, but I will say that the GOP isn't exactly putting on a very big display of honesty. Bachmann and Palin have an even bigger percentage of Pants of Fire comments on PolitiFact than Romney.

[Roy Karrde]

The question now is who the bigger liar is.

How about the question being who will better fix the economy? Some one who has a solid career of turning things around. Or some one who has been responsible for the last four years.

[Dark Sage]

By the way, correcting a previous post, I meant Iowa, not Idaho.

Idaho is a pretty red state, not a swing state, and early voting has not started there. I meant Iowa.

I apologize to residents of either state for getting them mixed up.

Edit: Obama is ahead in the Rasmussen Reports again.

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/publ..._tracking_poll

[Roy Karrde]

Looks like Univision is about to drop what they call a "Bombshell" when it comes to Fast and Furious.

"Often lost amid the rancor in Washington are the stories of dozens of people killed by guns that flowed south as part of the undercover operation, and later slipped out of view from U.S. officials. Univision’s Investigative Unit (Univision Investiga) has identified massacres committed using guns from the ATF operation, including the killing of 16 young people attending a party in a residential area of Ciudad Juárez in January of 2010."

and

"Additional guns, previously unreported by congressional investigators, found their way into the hands of drug traffickers across Latin America in countries such as, Honduras and Colombia, as well as the U.S. Commonwealth of Puerto Rico. A person familiar with the recent congressional hearings called Univision’s findings “the holy grail” that Congress had been searching for."

http://hotair.com/archives/2012/09/2...-fast-furious/

Meanwhile CBS News reminds us Obama is still hiding a key figure

O’Reilly, then a White House National Security staffer, had phone and email exchanges about Fast and Furious from July 2010 to Feb. 2011 with the lead ATF official on the case: ATF Special Agent in Charge Bill Newell. Just days after Newell testified to Congress on July 26, 2011 that he’d shared information with O’Reilly, whom he described as a long time friend, O’Reilly was transferred to Iraq and not available for questioning. Thereafter, he declined interviews with congressional investigators and the IG.

In a letter sent to O’Reilly’s attorney Thursday, Issa and Grassley state that O’Reilly’s “sudden transfer” to Iraq took him out of pocket in their investigation, and placed him in a position that had already been given to somebody else, raising “serious questions about O’Reilly’s assignment in Baghdad (and) the motivation for his transfer there.” …

“Given that O’Reilly was the link connecting the White House to the scandal, and that the President subsequently asserted executive privilege over the documents pertaining to Fast and Furious, it is imperative that the American people get to the bottom of O’Reilly’s involvement with Fast and Furious,” says the letter to O’Reilly’s attorney.

It goes on to say that if O’Reilly does not agree to an interview within 30 days, congressional Republicans will have no choice but to “use compulsory process” or subpoena power to require his testimony.

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-250_162-...ial/?tag=socsh

The special for Univision airs tomorrow night, it should be interesting if not saddening to see what they have uncovered.