Reply With QuoteYou can't expect teachers to inspire gifted students while still being able to help the other 20+ children in the class.
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You're right in the fact that it is the parents fault to make them study after school. Yet during school, and during study periods, it is the school's fault. Yet the school's continue to fail them by teaching to the lowest common denominator. If we want them to improve their lives and not sell drugs, then we need to force the schools to work on these students. If not they will never do well on the SAT Test or any other college placement test and remain where they are.Originally Posted by ACE135CC
Examples? Proof? Becuase I am sure I can bring in just as many schools that have pushed themselves to succeed.
Much of that is their teacher's fault for not inspiring their students. If the teachers cannot get the kids to work and bring themselves up, the students will remain in a rut.
I would suggest for you to go to any elementary school, even in the inner city and ask them. "What do you want to be when you grow up?" How many will say drug dealer? How many will say gang banger? How many will say hooker? These children do have dreams, they do have aspirtions, yet some where along the way, the place where they spend a good chunk of their day fails them.
America has always been about reaching for your dream, working hard enough and you can be anything you want to be. Should we not award the schools that provide our children with those tools, and punish the ones that stagnate?
Or have we become so lazy, so careless, that failure seems to be the only option for these schools?
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You can't expect teachers to inspire gifted students while still being able to help the other 20+ children in the class.
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I don't think anyone here is saying that. We do, or atleast I do, expect a teacher that works to improve their students in areas like math, english, and reading. Instead of going "Meh, I have X number of students, I can't be bothered to help those that fail"
* Mind you I actually had a College Professor who's exact words were that *
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Honestly, I want Hillary to win. She's a strong smart, calculating woman. She has policies I think are great, IE - Withdrawing from Iraq. National Health Care.
Not to mention Bill is fucking awesome with o/s policies. He's got a degree in them. So he'd jetset around the world, keeping them under control while Hillary makes America awesome again and not a shithole everyone despises. (Apart from some Tv Shows. Thanks, Heroes!)
Obama, he's a nice guy with a lot of charisma, but I don't know if he has any policies. But I don't think he'd be willing to make tough decisions. I think Hillary would, and she would deal with it.
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Well, it's Super Tuesday. Predictions, anyone?
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Obama-Cheese '08.
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As projections for the first Super Tuesday states continue to come in, Huckabee is gaining a surprising amount of ground on Romney - Fox News has him winning West Virginia and Alabama, and he looks to be leading both Georgia and Oklahoma. But McCain is working to pull away with wins in Connecticut, Illinois, and New Jersey, leaving Massachusetts for Romney and the other states still in question.
On the Democratic side, Obama has scored delegates in Georgia and Illinois, but Clinton appears poised to strike back with a win in Oklahoma and early leads in Alabama and New Jersey. (Fox News has called Tennessee for Clinton as well; CNN.com has it too close to call, with Obama retaining a 2% advantage.)
The battle for control is heating up...
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Bear in mind, last time Fox News got the projections wrong, an idiot got put in the White House.
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Fixed for the Truth.
It isn't Fox News' fault that many stations forgot that Florida was in two time zones and the most Republican areas of it closed one hour later.
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Meh. I just believe the facts, such as the Republicans were too scared to have a legally-binding recount.
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Well it would be nice if he recounted all the Ballots, and not just the Democrat district ones. It would also be nice if he didn't try to change election law to help him win, or throw out all the overseas ballots so that the heavily Republican favored Military didn't get to vote.
Then again it would also have been nice if the Media was actually able to see a map so that they wouldn't call a state before all polls had closed in the state, that way voters heading to vote in the Central Time Zone portion wouldn't believe their vote would be useless.
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At this late hour for Super Tuesday, I see McCain going to win the Republican nomination and it seems Obama will get the Democratic nomination (unless I'm missing something).
This means I'll vote for McCain.
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According to CNN.com, this is how Super Tuesday stands thus far:
Democratic Party
Hillary Clinton: AR, AZ, CA*, MA, NJ, NY, OK, TN
Tuesday Delegates: 71
Total Delegates: 371
Barack Obama: AL*, CO*, CT, DE*, GA, ID* IL, KS, MN*, ND*, UT*
Tuesday Delegates: 80
Total Delegates: 306
No Projection: MO, NM, AL*, AZ*, CA*, CO*, DE*, ID*, MN*, ND*, UT*
Republican Party
John McCain: AZ, CA*, CT, DE, IL*, MO, NJ, NY, OK
Tuesday Delegates: 329
Total Delegates: 475
Mike Huckabee: AL*, AR, GA, TN*, WV
Tuesday Delegates: 58
Total Delegates: 105
Ron Paul:
Tuesday Delegates: 0
Total Delegates: 6
Mitt Romney: CO*, MA, MN*, MT*, ND*, UT
Tuesday Delegates: 41
Total Delegates: 151
No Projection: AL*, CA*, CO*, IL*, MN*, MT*, ND*, TN*
*State winners projected, but delegates not yet assigned
EDIT: I'm changing the tracking format a bit.
Code:DEMOCRATIC CANDIDATES HC: Hillary Clinton BO: Barack Obama OT: Still Pledged to Other Candidate HC BO OT ALABAMA 10 11 -- ALASKA 1 1 -- AMERICAN SAMOA -- ARIZONA 3 2 -- ARKANSAS 12 0 -- CALIFORNIA 22 12 -- COLORADO 4 2 -- CONNECTICUT 22 27 -- DELAWARE 8 9 -- DISTRICT OF COLUMBIA 9 3 -- FLORIDA 0 0 -- GEORGIA 17 27 -- GUAM -- HAWAII -- IDAHO 0 2 -- ILLINOIS 25 67 -- INDIANA -- IOWA 18 18 14 KANSAS 6 17 -- KENTUCKY -- LOUISIANA 1 0 -- MAINE -- MARYLAND 8 3 -- MASSACHUSETTS 53 35 -- MICHIGAN 0 0 -- MINNESOTA 3 3 -- MISSISSIPPI -- MISSOURI 17 10 -- MONTANA -- NEBRASKA 0 1 -- NEVADA 14 14 -- NEW HAMPSHIRE 11 12 4 NEW JERSEY 60 38 -- NEW MEXICO 4 1 -- NEW YORK 144 75 -- NORTH CAROLINA -- NORTH DAKOTA 5 12 -- OHIO -- OKLAHOMA 18 10 -- OREGON -- PALAU -- PENNSYLVANIA -- PUERTO RICO -- RHODE ISLAND -- SOUTH CAROLINA 14 26 8 SOUTH DAKOTA -- TENNESSEE 27 14 -- TEXAS -- UTAH 2 0 -- VERMONT -- VIRGIN ISLANDS -- VIRGINIA 6 3 -- WASHINGTON 4 2 -- WEST VIRGINIA -- WISCONSIN 1 2 -- WYOMING -- TOTAL DELEGATES 591 476 26
Code:REPUBLICAN CANDIDATES MH: Mike Huckabee JM: John McCain RP: Ron Paul MR: Mitt Romney MH JM RP MR ALABAMA 0 0 0 0 ALASKA AMERICAN SAMOA ARIZONA 0 53 0 0 ARKANSAS 22 0 0 0 CALIFORNIA 0 11 0 0 COLORADO 0 0 0 0 CONNECTICUT 0 27 0 0 DELAWARE 0 18 0 0 DISTRICT OF COLUMBIA FLORIDA 0 57 0 0 GEORGIA 33 0 0 0 GUAM HAWAII IDAHO ILLINOIS 0 1 0 1 INDIANA IOWA 17 3 2 12 KANSAS 0 2 0 1 KENTUCKY LOUISIANA 0 3 0 0 MAINE 0 1 0 19 MARYLAND MASSACHUSETTS 0 17 0 22 MICHIGAN 1 5 0 24 MINNESOTA 0 0 0 2 MISSISSIPPI MISSOURI 0 58 0 0 MONTANA 0 0 0 0 NEBRASKA NEVADA 2 4 4 18 NEW HAMPSHIRE 1 7 0 4 NEW JERSEY 0 52 0 0 NEW MEXICO NEW YORK 0 101 0 0 NORTH CAROLINA NORTH DAKOTA 0 1 0 0 OHIO OKLAHOMA 6 29 0 0 OREGON PALAU PENNSYLVANIA PUERTO RICO RHODE ISLAND SOUTH CAROLINA 5 19 0 0 SOUTH DAKOTA TENNESSEE 0 1 0 0 TEXAS UTAH 0 0 0 36 VERMONT VIRGIN ISLANDS VIRGINIA WASHINGTON WEST VIRGINIA 18 0 0 1 WISCONSIN WYOMING 0 0 0 9 TOTAL DELEGATES 105 475 6 151
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A very confusing Super Tuesday. No one expected Huckabee to do as well, nor do I think people expected Romney to do not so well and McCain got the big states which meant he got the big delegates. So I'm happy because I like McCain.
On the democratic side well Obama won caucases and Connecticut and Missouri and a few others but Clinton won the majors and california. Which by going by the news the talk was whoever won California was the winner on the day but its seems to be the news just like to ignore what they had been saying for the past week because they love Obama.
I don't get americans I just hope he crashes soon and Clinton wins.
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I just think too many Democrats either hate Hillary ( Many Democrat Women ) or just think she is unelectable, and they would rather go with Obama who stands a outside chance of getting the White House for Democrats. Then losing the White House for a third straight time.
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Hmm maybe. I just wish I could understand what people see in Obama so he represents change? Hasn't everybody whos campaigned wanted change? The same with Romney we're meant to respect him and vote for him because hes not an inside washington guy. You become President and you cant change fuck all. Theres a reason a message of change is pathetic. Sure Obama could change the war but eventually the republicans make it back in and I guarantee you he will be at a loss.
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Yeah the whole Change Stupidity was brought up on the Mark Davis show today and how every politician is going to say "I represent change"
As for the war, I think all those Democrats that want the troops out are setting themselves up for a huge disapointment.
Lets say its '09, Obama or Clinton has just won the White House. The war has continued the course it is on, in that Al Qaeda is a non entity, terrorism is down, but US forces are still needed to keep law and order.
When Clinton/Obama look at the situation, and where the war is at then, I guarantee you that they will look at it from a new angle. Suddenly it isn't Bush's war to lose, it is their war. Pulling out the troops with the situation even close to winnable starts out their Presidentcy as being "The Loser President" or "The President that lost Iraq"
As much as they want to tout how much "Anti Iraq" they are, no one wants to be labeled with actually losing the Iraq war.
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Romney Quits Race
As if McCain didn't have enough of a free ride to the Republican nomination, his closest challenger, Mitt Romney, has now withdrawn. This leaves only McCain, Mike Huckabee, and Ron Paul in the hunt. McCain currently leads with approximately 714 of the 1,191 delegates necessary for victory. Huckabee trails with 181, and Paul sits in last having cobbled together only 16 delegates.
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Well no matter what now, McCain is pretty much going to be our next President, barring a Meteor or something falling on his head. So really while he is totally wrong on Global Warming. He can fix two of the four things that I was looking for: Repair America's Image by shutting down Guitmo and reaching out to Democrats, And persuing the reminants of Al Qaeda into Pakistan.
The other two being: Repairing the Economy, and Repairing the Dollar.
I can only hope he will hire Romney as a VP or a Secretary position for the Economy and thus work on trying to fix the other two.
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Its unfortunate. I really liked Ron Paul and his policies. At the same time though, a lot of the things he wanted done were so against what Congress wants that he would have spent most of his presidency fighting battles to pass legislation.
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Surely you don't give the democrats enough credit? I reckon they'll give McCain a good run for his money.
Also, what is McCain's actual position on global warming? I can't find anything that concrete.
But yeah, McCain is my second-favourite Republican candidate after Rudy, so I guess that now that idiot Romney has dropped out, we might actually stand a chance of having two truly electable candidates at the next election.
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Not if it is Clinton, which is what it is turning out to be. Clinton is utterly and completely unelectable, and would not get close to the White House on election day. And not only that, but many Democrats that are narrowly hanging onto their position would have to worry about losing it by millions of Republicans who will walk over broken glass just to vote straight line Republican to stop Hillary.
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I voted for Hilary Clinton in Florida--and I'm glad she did well in Super Tuesday
I dunno.. I don't like Obama--there's something weird about the guy and I cannot put my finger on it--yet.
But alot of the blacks I work with support Obama. Go figure
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Here's my opinion on the whole "can Clinton win?" debate.
If Obama gets the nomination, I'm going to have to seriously consider whether I should cross party lines to vote for him. I really don't like McCain as the Republican nominee - he's more like a Democrat than a Republican in a lot of ways. Frankly, I have a feeling that he might screw up things just as badly as Obama. If, after closer examination of the two candidates, I still believe that, I'll vote for Barack. You see, if things are going to be equally bad no matter who wins, I'd rather have it on the record of a Democrat so that we'll have a strong case for getting an actual Republican in office next time.
If Clinton gets the nomination... I would take a dump in a paper bag, set it on fire, and vote for that flaming sack of shit over Hillary.
You've gotta love brutally honest opinions.
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That is what alot of Republicans seem to be saying, but still there are two strong points that McCain has.
One: He would keep the Supreme Court leaning right, instead of left, meaning we would see less of the Supreme Court trying to legislate from the bench.
Second: While I doubt that Obama would pull the troops out of Iraq, and lose it. There is still a slight, very slight chance he would do so. Or he would try to run it his way instead of relying on General Petraus. Either way Obama in the White House could clusterfuck all of Iraq, as well as the rest of the region. Which is the last thing we need.
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I haven't updated the standings since Super Tuesday concluded and Romney withdrew.
Remaining Democratic Primaries and Caucuses:Code:DEMOCRATIC CANDIDATES HC: Hillary Clinton BO: Barack Obama OT: Still Pledged to Other Candidate HC BO OT ALABAMA 23 21 -- ALASKA 5 10 -- AMERICAN SAMOA 2 1 -- ARIZONA 33 27 -- ARKANSAS 35 8 -- CALIFORNIA 217 164 -- COLORADO 10 15 -- CONNECTICUT 23 29 -- DELAWARE 8 9 -- DEMOCRATS ABROAD -- DISTRICT OF COLUMBIA 9 3 -- FLORIDA 0 0 -- GEORGIA 23 42 -- GUAM -- HAWAII -- IDAHO 3 17 -- ILLINOIS 45 111 -- INDIANA -- IOWA 18 18 14 KANSAS 10 24 -- KENTUCKY -- LOUISIANA 1 0 -- MAINE -- MARYLAND 8 3 -- MASSACHUSETTS 61 44 -- MICHIGAN 0 0 -- MINNESOTA 27 51 -- MISSISSIPPI -- MISSOURI 38 40 -- MONTANA -- NEBRASKA 0 1 -- NEVADA 14 14 -- NEW HAMPSHIRE 11 12 4 NEW JERSEY 69 49 -- NEW MEXICO 17 13 -- NEW YORK 177 94 -- NORTH CAROLINA -- NORTH DAKOTA 5 12 -- OHIO -- OKLAHOMA 24 14 -- OREGON -- PENNSYLVANIA -- PUERTO RICO -- RHODE ISLAND -- SOUTH CAROLINA 14 26 8 SOUTH DAKOTA -- TENNESSEE 39 27 -- TEXAS -- UTAH 11 14 -- VERMONT -- VIRGIN ISLANDS -- VIRGINIA 6 3 -- WASHINGTON 4 2 -- WEST VIRGINIA -- WISCONSIN 1 2 -- WYOMING -- TOTAL DELEGATES 1033 937 26 Needed to win: 2025
February 5 – February 12: Democrats Abroad (7)
February 9: Louisiana (56)
February 9: Nebraska (24)
February 9: Virgin Islands (3)
February 9: Washington (78)
February 10: Maine (24)
February 12: District of Columbia (15)
February 12: Maryland (70)
February 12: Virginia (83)
February 19: Hawaii (20)
February 19: Wisconsin (74)
March 4: Ohio (141)
March 4: Rhode Island (21)
March 4: Texas (193)
March 4: Vermont (15)
March 8: Wyoming (7)
March 11: Mississippi (33)
April 22: Pennsylvania (158)
May 3: Guam (3)
May 6: Indiana (72)
May 6: North Carolina (155)
May 13: West Virginia (28)
May 17: Kansas (11)
May 20: Kentucky (51)
May 20: Oregon (52)
May 24: Wyoming (5)
June 3: Montana (16)
June 3: South Dakota (15)
June 7: Puerto Rico (55)
Remaining Republican Primaries and Caucuses:Code:REPUBLICAN CANDIDATES MH: Mike Huckabee JM: John McCain RP: Ron Paul MR: Mitt Romney MH JM RP OT ALABAMA 20 16 0 -- ALASKA 6 3 5 12 AMERICAN SAMOA -- ARIZONA 0 53 0 -- ARKANSAS 32 1 0 1 CALIFORNIA 0 149 0 6 COLORADO 0 0 0 43 CONNECTICUT 0 27 0 -- DELAWARE 0 18 0 -- DISTRICT OF COLUMBIA -- FLORIDA 0 57 0 -- GEORGIA 45 3 0 -- GUAM -- HAWAII -- IDAHO -- ILLINOIS 0 55 0 2 INDIANA -- IOWA 17 3 2 12 KANSAS 0 2 0 -- KENTUCKY -- LOUISIANA 0 3 0 -- MAINE 0 1 0 18 MARYLAND -- MASSACHUSETTS 0 18 0 22 MICHIGAN 1 5 0 24 MINNESOTA 0 0 0 38 MISSISSIPPI -- MISSOURI 0 58 0 -- MONTANA 0 0 0 25 NEBRASKA -- NEVADA 2 4 4 18 NEW HAMPSHIRE 1 7 0 4 NEW JERSEY 30 52 0 13 NEW MEXICO -- NEW YORK 0 101 0 -- NORTH CAROLINA -- NORTH DAKOTA 5 6 5 8 N. MARIANA ISLANDS -- OHIO -- OKLAHOMA 6 32 0 -- OREGON -- PENNSYLVANIA -- PUERTO RICO -- RHODE ISLAND -- SOUTH CAROLINA 5 19 0 -- SOUTH DAKOTA -- TENNESSEE 23 16 0 8 TEXAS -- UTAH 0 0 0 36 VERMONT -- VIRGIN ISLANDS -- VIRGINIA -- WASHINGTON -- WEST VIRGINIA 18 0 0 -- WISCONSIN -- WYOMING 0 0 0 9 TOTAL DELEGATES 211 714 16 299 Needed to win: 1191
January 25 – February 5: Hawaii (20)
February 9: Kansas (26)
February 9: Louisiana (20)
February 9: Washington (18)
February 12: District of Columbia (16)
February 12: Maryland (37)
February 12: Virginia (63)
February 16: Guam (6)
February 16: Louisiana (24)
February 19: Washington (19)
February 19: Wisconsin (37)
February 23: Northern Mariana Islands (6)
February 23: Virgin Islands (6)
February 24: Puerto Rico (20)
March 1: American Samoa (6)
March 4: Ohio (85)
March 4: Rhode Island (17)
March 4: Texas (137)
March 4: Vermont (17)
March 11: Mississippi (36)
April 5: Tennessee (12)
April 22: Pennsylvania (62)
May 3 – May 24: Minnesota (24)
May 6: Indiana (27)
May 6: North Carolina (69)
May 13: Nebraska (31)
May 13: West Virginia (9)
May 20: Kentucky (45)
May 20: Oregon (30)
May 20 – 21: New York (11)
May 22: Kansas (10)
May 24 – June 7: Colorado (21)
May 27: Idaho (26)
May 31: Wyoming (2)
June 3: South Dakota (24)
June 3: New Mexico (29)
June 6 – June 7: Pennsylvania (9)
June 7: Illinois (10)
June 7: Minnesota (14)
June 9 – June 10: Indiana (27)
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selling my tpm account to fund my moving from america to anywhere else. any biders?!
seriously.
i won't die for these idiots. this country sucks. hussein is a closet muslim. theres no proof that he isn't. all politicians lie. why believe anything they say. they just want to take over and kill us all while raising our taxes.
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Not that I want to sound like a asshole but...
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Maybe so, but what exactly are our boys dying for? Can't be peace or unity or even suppression.
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Huckabee takes Kansas by storm it appears. (60% total votes)
Is it me or will Mitt dropping out help him somewhat?
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Well for one to stabalize and bring peace to Iraq that with out them would be a haven and breeding ground for terrorism, aka Afghanistan in the 90s. In both Afghanistan and Iraq they are building roads, they are building schools, homes, churches, helping to provide safety in the market place. There are countless things they are doing, good things, that you do not hear about in the news.
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@Ace:
So, what if Hussein was really a closet Muslim, Ace? Unless... if I recalled correctly, Muslim, Mormons and Atheist are not eligible to run for presidency... is that true?
Iraq is one big mess. The WMD was one big lie. The way I see it, the US have already lost in Iraq. So just pull off the soldiers already - what is there left to fight for?
(Unless, if you're afraid that Iran will call you a 'paper tiger'
Ah well. You wanna know what the US soldiers are dying for, Ace? One word: PNAC (The Project for the New American Century). Yeap.
On a slightly related note, what's this story I heard of Ron Paul and his supporters being labelled as a domestic terrorist, hm?
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You have to know something for certain to lie about it. The only one that knew if there were WMDs or not was Saddam Hussain.
Security Force deaths down, Civilian deaths down, Iraqi Troop Deaths down, Bombing deaths down, Al Qaeda has been forced into one town. Yeah it sounds like we lost....
Keep Al Qaeda from having Afghanistan 2.0
More like Osama Bin Laden.(Unless, if you're afraid that Iran will call you a 'paper tiger'
Mind explaning that?
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WAIT A MINUTE!
What's the title of this thread?
"2008 U.S. Presidential Election - Primaries"
Do you see "Iraq War" ANYWHERE in that line?
I don't.
Take the war talk to another thread. Or don't. Either is acceptable.
Honestly, can't we have a discussion about ANYTHING going on in the modern world without it degrading to the war? SHUT UP!
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While it does play a part in the candidacy for everybody, I do have to agree with Blade on this one. It really does seem like every thread turns into a bash of extremities in regards to opinions - especially the war.
So let's try to take all religion, all radical legions, and ever other variation of the faggot tree out of this thread, shall we?
Also, I highly doubt being born to two atheists (one of which was raised as a Muslim, yes), raised without religion, and later converting to Christianity gives a true reason to be accused of "closet Islam."
Also also, for relevance, Obama has just claimed delegates in Nebraska, Louisiana, and D.C.
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Yes, let's get things back on track. Although I have to correct you, Laura; Obama's gained an advantage from Washington state, not D.C. (The District of Columbia primary isn't until the 12th.)
Update? Why not.
As of 10 p.m. CST, Obama leads Clinton in pledged delegates, 892-866. Clinton has the advantage in superdelegates, 223-131.
RNC members aren't as important in the Republican primary as the Democratic superdelegates, but McCain leads them 17-3 over Huckabee.
Remaining Democratic Primaries and Caucuses:Code:DEMOCRATIC CANDIDATES HC: Hillary Clinton BO: Barack Obama OT: Still Pledged to Other Candidate HC BO OT ALABAMA 23 21 -- ALASKA 5 10 -- AMERICAN SAMOA 2 1 -- ARIZONA 34 27 -- ARKANSAS 36 8 -- CALIFORNIA 224 164 -- COLORADO 10 16 -- CONNECTICUT 23 30 -- DELAWARE 9 9 -- DEMOCRATS ABROAD -- DISTRICT OF COLUMBIA 9 3 -- FLORIDA 0 0 -- GEORGIA 25 42 -- GUAM -- HAWAII -- IDAHO 3 18 -- ILLINOIS 45 111 -- INDIANA -- IOWA 18 19 14 KANSAS 10 26 -- KENTUCKY -- LOUISIANA 16 23 -- MAINE 2 0 -- MARYLAND 9 4 -- MASSACHUSETTS 62 47 -- MICHIGAN 0 0 -- MINNESOTA 27 53 -- MISSISSIPPI -- MISSOURI 40 40 -- MONTANA -- NEBRASKA 8 18 -- NEVADA 14 14 -- NEW HAMPSHIRE 11 12 4 NEW JERSEY 70 49 -- NEW MEXICO 18 13 -- NEW YORK 179 94 -- NORTH CAROLINA -- NORTH DAKOTA 5 12 -- OHIO -- OKLAHOMA 25 15 -- OREGON -- PENNSYLVANIA -- PUERTO RICO -- RHODE ISLAND -- SOUTH CAROLINA 14 26 8 SOUTH DAKOTA -- TENNESSEE 40 28 -- TEXAS -- UTAH 11 15 -- VERMONT -- VIRGIN ISLANDS -- VIRGINIA 6 3 -- WASHINGTON 19 38 -- WEST VIRGINIA -- WISCONSIN 2 3 -- WYOMING -- TOTAL DELEGATES 1100 1039 26 Needed to win: 2025
February 5 – February 12: Democrats Abroad (7)
February 10: Maine (24)
February 12: District of Columbia (15)
February 12: Maryland (70)
February 12: Virginia (83)
February 19: Hawaii (20)
February 19: Wisconsin (74)
March 4: Ohio (141)
March 4: Rhode Island (21)
March 4: Texas (193)
March 4: Vermont (15)
March 8: Wyoming (7)
March 11: Mississippi (33)
April 22: Pennsylvania (158)
May 3: Guam (3)
May 6: Indiana (72)
May 6: North Carolina (155)
May 13: West Virginia (28)
May 17: Kansas (11)
May 20: Kentucky (51)
May 20: Oregon (52)
May 24: Wyoming (5)
June 3: Montana (16)
June 3: South Dakota (15)
June 7: Puerto Rico (55)
Remaining Republican Primaries and Caucuses:Code:REPUBLICAN CANDIDATES MH: Mike Huckabee JM: John McCain RP: Ron Paul MR: Mitt Romney MH JM RP OT ALABAMA 20 16 0 -- ALASKA 6 3 5 12 AMERICAN SAMOA -- ARIZONA 0 53 0 -- ARKANSAS 32 1 0 1 CALIFORNIA 0 149 0 6 COLORADO 0 0 0 43 CONNECTICUT 0 27 0 -- DELAWARE 0 18 0 -- DISTRICT OF COLUMBIA -- FLORIDA 0 57 0 -- GEORGIA 45 3 0 -- GUAM -- HAWAII -- IDAHO -- ILLINOIS 0 55 0 2 INDIANA -- IOWA 17 3 2 12 KANSAS 36 2 0 -- KENTUCKY -- LOUISIANA 0 3 0 -- MAINE 0 1 0 18 MARYLAND -- MASSACHUSETTS 0 18 0 22 MICHIGAN 1 5 0 24 MINNESOTA 0 0 0 38 MISSISSIPPI -- MISSOURI 0 58 0 -- MONTANA 0 0 0 25 NEBRASKA -- NEVADA 2 4 4 18 NEW HAMPSHIRE 1 7 0 4 NEW JERSEY 0 52 0 -- NEW MEXICO -- NEW YORK 0 101 0 -- NORTH CAROLINA -- NORTH DAKOTA 5 6 5 8 N. MARIANA ISLANDS -- OHIO -- OKLAHOMA 6 32 0 -- OREGON -- PENNSYLVANIA -- PUERTO RICO -- RHODE ISLAND -- SOUTH CAROLINA 5 19 0 -- SOUTH DAKOTA -- TENNESSEE 23 16 0 8 TEXAS -- UTAH 0 0 0 36 VERMONT -- VIRGIN ISLANDS -- VIRGINIA -- WASHINGTON -- WEST VIRGINIA 18 0 0 -- WISCONSIN -- WYOMING 0 0 0 9 TOTAL DELEGATES 217 714 16 286 Needed to win: 1191
January 25 – February 5: Hawaii (20)
February 12: District of Columbia (16)
February 12: Maryland (37)
February 12: Virginia (63)
February 16: Guam (6)
February 16: Louisiana (24)
February 19: Washington (19)
February 19: Wisconsin (37)
February 23: Northern Mariana Islands (6)
February 23: Virgin Islands (6)
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May 27: Idaho (26)
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June 3: South Dakota (24)
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June 7: Minnesota (14)
June 9 – June 10: Indiana (27)
It appears that Huckabee won't get any credit for winning the Louisiana primary...
Last edited by mr_pikachu; 10th February 2008 at 01:31 AM.
Re: 2008 U.S. Presidential Election - Primaries
Obama will prolly take the Protomac Primary and Obama is tending to win 3-1 while Clinton's best shots start March 4th but the problem is Clinton isn't winning 3-1 shes winning 2-1. Obama looks to have the advantage at this stage which I just can't stand. If hes the nominee I want McCain to win.
I say we'll find out whos the nominee prolly March 4th with Pennsylvania the clincher. I think the democrats really need to sort out Michigan and Florida, because if those were ran prolly I say Clinton would have the nominee by now but no DNC took not only some but all their delegates away. If they had just cut them by half like the republicans did.
McCain I'm guessing should do well at the Protomac Primary so while Huckabee got a few wins over the weekend McCain should clinch it very soon.
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Re: 2008 U.S. Presidential Election - Primaries
Well, the D.C. rather than state was my bad basing from the reports I saw.
I still think that the states that aren't allowed to have delegates count towards candidacy is a little unfair; it really does seem to turn away well-informed voters in any party. In fact, from what I heard, the family I have in Louisiana didn't even go out to cast their ballots; very conservative Republicans, too. It's an Obamanation. (pun fully intended, of course)
I still wonder if Huckabee does fully intend to hold on the whole time irregardless of delegates. He even stated himself that he won't settle for Vice President.
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Re: 2008 U.S. Presidential Election - Primaries
Since we are waiting for the next set of Primaries, I figured I would make a list of things the Canidates should not do and obviously need to stop doing. Feel free to add on to the list if you want
1: Stupid Slogans: One thing that seems to pop up during every single race is slogans that sound good, and build up hype, but mean absolutely nothing. The most recent example is Obama's "Yes We Can" slogan. Yes we can what? What can we do? What are we saying Yes to? The same goes with the "Change" slogan. Change what? What will be the result of this change? The Stupid Slogans that mean nothing MUST GO.
2: Attacking the Previous President: In no other job do you recieve the job by bitching about the guy who's position you want to take. We know about the falts of the previous guy, yet the canidates act as if they are telling it to us for the first time. The problem is that we know what he has done, tell us what you are going to do.
3: I have a Plan!: This is one of the most annoying things, and was part of John Kerry's downfall. If you have a plan, tell it to us, lay it out so we know what the plan is and how you are going to impliment it. Just saying that you have a plan and then continuing on does nothing but tell us that you believe we are too stupid to understand your plan.
4: Read My Lips: And the thing that brought down George Bush Sr. No matter if you are Democrat or Republican, do not make stupid promises in which you know you probably will not be able to keep. The biggest offender of this is saying you will lower taxes, the problem is that you have no idea what will happen once you get into office and what will happen 4 years down the line. So do not lie to us!
5: It is his fault: Playing the blame game really really gets annoying. If you were part of the problem, then come out and say so, appologise for it and tell us how you are going to fix it. Pointing fingers only makes you look petty and small.
6: Painting Broad Strokes: Everything these days seems to have to be condensed to twenty second sound bites. We live in the age of You Tube where you can make a video as long as you want and tell the people your ideas. Do not just say "Well I am going to lower taxes for the middle class." That only outlines the idea, tell us atleast how you are going to do it so we can atleast hold you to it. Tell us which of the Middle Class are getting their taxes lowered, tell us how you plan to do it, tell us when you will be able to start working toward it. Telling us just the heading and then moving on does absolutely nothing!
Alright, anyone else want to add in?
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