Osama bin Laden killed

[Dark Sage]

Osama bin Laden is dead. His compound was located by a team of soldiers on Sunday, and after a firefight, he was killed. American troops have possesson of the body.

There is not much for me to say, except to quote President Obama on the matter: "Justice has been done."

[Zak]

Yeah, Obama did away with Osama. Wild...

[DarkestLight]

He shoulda did the address to the nation in his PJ's and made tomorrow a damn holiday

[Dark Sage]

He shoulda did the address to the nation in his PJ's and made tomorrow a damn holiday

It wouldn't have been very dignified for the President to address the nation in his pajamas.

If it were up to me I'd give the guy that killed the fucker the Medal of Honor. At the very least I expect them all to to get a Bronze/Silver Star.

Same here. Too bad that, as members of the U.S. Armed Forces, they aren't allowed to collect the reward posted by the FBI for him.

[DarkestLight]

It wouldn't have been very dignified for the President to address the nation in his pajamas.

>> Really? At 11:45 pm? No, I'm pretty sure with that type of allegation, you could come out in your PJ's and make that statement. That's some real high level shit that supersedes your demeanor or your dress :/

TBH, I think this sting op was done a week or so ago, and they did all they had to do(DNA test, interrogation whathave you) before Obama gave the ok to merc his ass, and then two shots in the dark, leave him with one eye -.-

I hope they dump his body in the damn middle of the Atlantic :/ Let him gt disintegrated by the earth :/

And if Osama rears his head and is all "HAHAH I'm not dead, you fools"
1) Obama might go over there himself and pull a Tony Stark :/
2) There are going to be ALOT of flights to Pakistan :/
3) WWIII starts. Just like that.

[Dark Sage]

First of all, they weren't "mercs". They were Navy Seals.

Second, they didn't wake Mr. Obama up to tell him that Bin Laden was dead. Mr. Obama and his staff were watching the whole thing as it unfolded. Thus, he wasn't in his pajamas to begin with.

You people really don't give the President enough credit. He's smarter and more organized than all of us put together.

[RedStarWarrior]

You people really don't give the President enough credit. He's smarter and more organized than all of us put together.

Speak for yourself.

I do agree, though, Obama was working with intelligence officials the whole time.

[DarkestLight]

First of all, they weren't "mercs". They were Navy Seals.

1) I never called them mercs. I used Merc as a slang term for murder .

Second, they didn't wake Mr. Obama up to tell him that Bin Laden was dead. Mr. Obama and his staff were watching the whole thing as it unfolded. Thus, he wasn't in his pajamas to begin with.

2) And You good sir, give me no credit for making a joke about the situation, which has garnished more radical conversation over the last two days than I'd care to paraphrase.

You people really don't give the President enough credit. He's smarter and more organized than all of us put together.

Speak for yourself.

QFT

[Master Rudy]

First and foremost I'll say it now: don't turn this into a political debate. Keep the topic strictly on the news of Bin Laden being killed.

With that being said it's about fucking time. The thing most shocking about this however is that this is based on intel from August 2010. Considering how long it took to get to him and how much he remained on the move I'm surprised we found him there eight months after the fact. Was there pattern of sites he moved to that we exploited? Did he just give up and stop running after nearly ten years? Whatever the case may be I for one am glad to see this bastard dead. 9/11 damn near caused my mom a nervous breakdown when it happened due to her years at the WTC in the late 70's, early 80's. Had we remained in NYC and she went back to work there she would have been on floors that took a direct hit from one of the planes. To this day she's refused to look at the list of people killed due to the fact that there's no question or doubt that quite a few people she knew were killed.


UPDATE: As I've been typing this a few details have been relesed by CNN. Here's what I've been able to gather as I didn't have a DVR turned on along with my own insights and thoughts at several points. As details are still slowly being released please excuse any mistakes.

-Operation was conducted by the US Naval Special Warfare Development Group (AKA SEAL Team Six)
-Unknown number of US soldiers involved (info is classifed as ST6 has never released how many members it has)
-Bin Laden was not in the wilderness/mountains....he was actually in the middle of a wealthy civilian area in an Al-Queda compound in Abbottabad, Pakistan. The compound consisted of 18 foot high walls and had a building that was reported to be about eight times the size of other homes in the area.
-ST6 was dropped in via several choppers and spent 40 minutes on the ground engaged in a firefight with Al-Qurda forces. Eventually they got into a shootout with a man that looked like Bin Laden. The man was shot once in the head and the body was recovered for positive ID. A later DNA test has confirmed that the man killed was indeed Bin Laden.
-During the retreat one chopper did have a crash landing outside the city. Offical reason was "mechanical failure" but let's be honest.....they were on the ground for 40 minutes and taking heavy fire. There's a high chance said failure was caused by weapons damage to the chopper. The team was picked up on another chopper. Standard protocol due to the situation they were in called for the total destruction of the chopper and any intel/equipment that they had no time to secure so that it wouldn't possibly fall into enemy hands. One can assume they either torched it or used C4.
-No US injuries/deaths have been reported.....personally I'm sure there were some minor injuries to the team on the chopper that went down (broken glass, minor cuts, ect). However as far as I'm concerned it breaks down like this: no combat injuries/deaths, objective achieved, safe return of all troops involved=successful mission.

Anyway with Bin Laden now dead I'm sure the US will be in a heightened state of alert for awhile as I'm sure Al-Qaeda will want revenge. Either way however it deals a major blow to them.

If it were up to me I'd give the guy that killed the fucker the Medal of Honor. At the very least I expect them all to to get a Bronze/Silver Star.

[MeLoVeGhOsTs]

And here come the muslims again.

Eye for an eye for an eye for an eye..

[Heald]

Stay classy, Fox News

[Ayeun]

[Lady Vulpix]

I have no positive feelings for Bin Laden, but only time will tell whether this will change anything. Those who trained him may create a new monster in the future, and those who followed him may see him as a martyr. Bin Laden himself won't be a threat anymore, but others like him probably will.

[Telume]

[Heald]

So why does America have no problem with assassinating a terrorist in a completely foreign country, yet has absolutely no issues with sheltering Irish terrorists who should be extradited to the UK and tried for murder?

[MeLoVeGhOsTs]

Cuz it's America! Land of the free.

[ChobiChibi]

It just seems so sudden. Haven't heard about him in years and suddenly BAM, they find him and shoot him dead. And none of the US soldiers were injured during the conflict? Sounds like a good run of Call of Duty to me.

I lol'd when I read the BBC article on it, cos they said he took his DNA and confirmed it was his before they chucked his body out to sea. I believe the whole Muslim burial in 24 hours stuff, but where did they get a comparison DNA sample from? And how was it done so quick?

I dunno, I'm not normally into conspiracy theories, but something really doesn't seem right about this.

[Dark Sage]

I believe the whole Muslim burial in 24 hours stuff, but where did they get a comparison DNA sample from?

From one of his daughters. I read it in one of the articles.

[Blademaster]

It's amazing what America can do when PSN is down.

[Magmar]

I think they made it public and did this today because America is bummed about the hundreds killed in the recent tornados.

I actually don't believe that they killed him. There's no evidence! I have a hard time taking the government's "word" on anything because they've lied to the people SO MANY TIMES in the last decade.

[Heald]

I think they made it public and did this today because America is bummed about the hundreds killed in the recent tornados.

I actually don't believe that they killed him. There's no evidence! I have a hard time taking the government's "word" on anything because they've lied to the people SO MANY TIMES in the last decade.

Do you think the government would really lie about this if they hadn't killed Osama? It'll be very easy for it to be disproven, for example, Osama dropping off another tape at Al Jazeera saying 'lol I ain't dead homeboy'.

American Intelligence as it is is a complete laughing stock around the world, so the last thing they would want to do is lie about something as big as this.

[Dark Sage]

If this was a lie orchestrated by our government, all Bin Laden would have to do at this point (because trust me, word of it would reach him) is send a picture of himself with a newspaper dated today to that Arabic television station that always broadcast his messages. Mr. Obama would be exposed as a liar, and everyone in the US would be furious at him and the rest of the government. Bin Laden would love that.

Edit: Besides, not only is Mr. Obama making this claim, but former VP Dick Cheney, one of his harshest critics, is praising him for it.

[papabopp]

'Merica

[woz]

hypocrisy itt

[Telume]

I don't think they would lie about something as big as this, you're risking an entire country's rap doing this, not to mention we have a lot of 'allies' riding on this too, they'd hate us if we lied about something so big.

And this isn't including our people hating Obama if he lied about it, it HAS to be true.

[MeLoVeGhOsTs]

"Bin Laden deserved death, nothing less."

Sure, everyone knows he deserves death, but does that make it a justified reason? There are tons of other people who deserve death, but 'deserving' death does not give you any reasons to 'murder', 'avenge', or 'justi-kill' anyone.

Serial killers get trials, too. Even if it makes you sick.

[kurai]

that's not what due process means
that link provides no evidence to your claim beyond being involved with conspiracy

[Roy Karrde]

that's not what due process means
that link provides no evidence to your claim beyond being involved with conspiracy

As I said in the other topic he was the leader of the organization as such any operation being planned goes through him. He was the man who "ordered" the 9/11 attacks by giving KSM the go ahead with his plan.

[kurai]

no possible evidence can be produced to that effect

[Roy Karrde]

no possible evidence can be produced to that effect

Other than KSM's testamony, the testamony of those that were there when it happened, or even Bin Laden's own confession? Or the mountains of other documents that show he did?

[kurai]

here is where your misunderstanding of due process comes into effect!

since there is no trial or hearing able to be conducted, the legitimacy of that "evidence" is untested and never will be, so you can not provide it as proof

"There's no need to discuss innocence or guilt. We know he's guilty."

[Roy Karrde]

here is where your misunderstanding of due process comes into effect!

since there is no trial or hearing able to be conducted, the legitimacy of that "evidence" is untested and never will be, so you can not provide it as proof

"There's no need to discuss innocence or guilt. We know he's guilty."

Actually the evidence has been presented in previous trials as the link above provides. KSM's own trial is linked very closely to Bin Laden, thus evidence, testamony, and confessions given there would more than likely have been used in Bin Laden's trial.

[kurai]

yes, we can just try other people and it automatically applies

no need for all the hassle of constitutionally required due process

[Roy Karrde]

yes, we can just try other people and it automatically applies

no need for all the hassle of constitutionally required due process

Again if he had been captured, and not continued to fight he would have been given due process.

Also again, seeing how the evidence presented in those trials pertained to Bin Laden we can assume that since the evidence was seen as legitimate there, it would be seen as legitimate in Bin Laden's trial.

[woz]

that's not how trials work, mate

[Roy Karrde]

that's not how trials work, mate

If evidence presented in one trial would be deemed legitimate, there is little argument it would not be allowed in another trial as there was already a precedent set in the previous trial.

[Dark Sage]

I don't need a citation to know that everyone in New York was happy that he was dead. I saw the jubilant crowds celebrating in Time's Square on Sunday after the news had been released. People who lived through 9/11 have been waiting for this for years.

As for everything else, see what Roy said. This is one of the few times I agree with him.

[DarkestLight]

I don't need a citation to know that everyone in New York was happy that he was dead. I saw the jubilant crowds celebrating at Ground Zero on Sunday after the news had been released. People who lived through 9/11 have been waiting for this for years.

As for everything else, see what Roy said. This is one of the few times I agree with him.

I'm from, and still am a New Yorker (Harlemworld, till I die ¬¬.) I have mixed feelings, but none of them are positively happy. I can point out over 100 NYC'ers that feel how I feel, that this is a caution set of relief within anxiousness. We DON'T know how to feel-'cause we never thought it would come like this. This is again, something new for Americans (least this generation.)

No we shouldn't have run out in the damn streets (IMO) like when Obama won the presidency and when Yanks win a World Series. Yes, the families of those that lost folks in 9/11 do feel some sort of rudimentary closure, even though they know killing one man will not equate to the deaths of thousands here and across the globe. I'm sure that even with this news, they're still not entirely happy, but its a damned step forward.

Now, let me make a statement to Roy.

Right now Roy, you bugged out with that statement. No 3000 does not equal 1. But for those families, that one grew to encapsulate all their rage, fear, hatred and confusion as to WHY someone would do this. If it was just those folks out in the streets, I probably would have been like "Meh-its the folks who have the most reason to care."

But no, it was Johnny McCornball and his College friends slapping each other's asses and dunking on trees and taking photos with Uncle Sam hats like "YEAH WE KILLED OSAMA." They aint do SHIT >_O! Those fucks are the ones that cause drama. Children seeing those folks outside of D.C. and Ground Zero are gonna be confused cause omg we're celebrating a dead bad guy? Pakistanies are gonna see that, and they're not gonna remember how they acted 9 years ago when the towers fell (and for the record, that was not all of Pakistan, that was Al-Qaeda infused cities that were caught cheering, not everyone in Pakistan thought it was the best thing since cable TV, since they got that in 2000). They're gonna be like "Whoa, they're really happy they killed that dude."

No ones taking the time to explain to children, or to themselves why they're celebrating. Everyone's just saying "WE GOT HIM." and not thinking, "well no I'm relieving some of the anxiety I felt for over 9 years." Yeah, Terror is still here. Osama did what he set out to do, and that was break the American Bubble of Invincibility... good job Osama.

So we did what? As Blade said, spend trillions to find his ass. And we did. And they found him. And he shot at us and Johnny McBadass shot him twice in his left eye so he could watch some hot shit coming to fill his face. In this case, fuck due process. He didn't do like Saddam, who crawled in a damn hole and didn't really resist us himself (Which allowed us to do due process). No. He came out like Rambo and tried to eradicate another infidel-only to get tagged up like markdowns in JCPenny. I'm not saying that it was handled inappropriately, but it was handled the way it needed to go down.

Evil gets what evil deserves, and there's no avoiding that. But Dark Sage, I would really appreciate if you take back that comment about all of NY liking Osama being dead :/ I for 1, am no celebrating his death. I'm at most acknowledging some noticeable shift in the scales of balance for us all. It just have a massive epicenter here-and that center is Ground Zero.

[Roy Karrde]

Now, let me make a statement to Roy.

Right now Roy, you bugged out with that statement. No 3000 does not equal 1. But for those families, that one grew to encapsulate all their rage, fear, hatred and confusion as to WHY someone would do this. If it was just those folks out in the streets, I probably would have been like "Meh-its the folks who have the most reason to care."

But no, it was Johnny McCornball and his College friends slapping each other's asses and dunking on trees and taking photos with Uncle Sam hats like "YEAH WE KILLED OSAMA." They aint do SHIT >_O! Those fucks are the ones that cause drama. Children seeing those folks outside of D.C. and Ground Zero are gonna be confused cause omg we're celebrating a dead bad guy? Pakistanies are gonna see that, and they're not gonna remember how they acted 9 years ago when the towers fell (and for the record, that was not all of Pakistan, that was Al-Qaeda infused cities that were caught cheering, not everyone in Pakistan thought it was the best thing since cable TV, since they got that in 2000). They're gonna be like "Whoa, they're really happy they killed that dude."

Here is the thing, that one, is in no way relatable to the 3,000 that died. That one was a mass murderer, a terrorist, a nut job, one who sought out to kill and harm people. Those 3,000 were innocent, they committed no crime against al Qaeda other than being alive. They were innocent civilians that al Qaeda choose to murder.

As such it is absolutely wrong to link one celebration to another, one celebration is to the end of a mass murderer who has haunted this country for far longer than one decade. The other is to celeberate the death of innocent people who died simply for going to work that morning.

Since we are using WW2 as a example here, it would be like saying Jews celebrating the death of Hitler, is the same as German soldiers celebrating the death of Jews. Those two celeberations are in no way comparable.

To put it simply to say the two are the same is to engage in False Moral Equivalency.

[Blademaster]

As a former New Yorker, I'd appreciate not being lumped in with the barbarians dancing in the streets over bin Laden's death the same way Al-Qaeda supporters were partying over the deaths of 3,000 people in the Towers. I'd like to believe that the self-proclaimed 'greatest country in the world' is more civilized than a bunch of mud hut-dwelling radical fundamentalists still living in the Dark Ages.